Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 This could open up Boozer to Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 KEVIN DING @KevinDing 54s Regarding Jeremy Lin (and Carlos Boozer in possible Pau sign-and-trade w/CHI), Lakers could get draft-pick assets they almost totally lack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) If Boozer is Amnesthetized, his contract does not count at all against the salary cap for this year. He could not be used in a sign and trade at all. The Bulls would pay him whatever on his contract is not picked up by another team and that would be the end of it. There is no way to do both an amnesty and a sign and trade. That's not my question. My question is why pick up Boozer in a sign and trade with pretty worthless draft picks and other crappy pieces , allowing the Bulls to give Melo more money and use an exception for a guy like Mirotic, when you can still get Boozer's expiring contract at the amnesty auction if that is some attraction, and you force Melo to accept less money and one of your rivals won't be able to make other moves? IMO, the only motivation Phil should have accepting Boozer is if you give him something really good to go along with it. Not something mediocre. And I think draft picks at the bottom of round 1 are mediocre. Edited July 11, 2014 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) That's not my question. My question is why pick up Boozer in a sign and trade with pretty worthless draft picks and other crappy pieces , allowing the Bulls to give Melo more money and use an exception for a guy like Mirotic, when you can still get Boozer's expiring contract at the amnesty auction if that is some attraction, and you force Melo to accept less money and one of your rivals won't be able to make other moves? IMO, the only motivation Phil should have accepting Boozer is if you give him something really good to go along with it. Not something mediocre. And I think draft picks at the bottom of round 1 are mediocre. You don't get his expiring in an amnesty auction. You only get whatever amount you bid / paid for him. So lets say Heat bid 3M and get Boozer, then Boozer is a 3M cap hit to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) That's not my question. My question is why pick up Boozer in a sign and trade with pretty worthless draft picks and other crappy pieces , allowing the Bulls to give Melo more money and use an exception for a guy like Mirotic, when you can still get Boozer's expiring contract at the amnesty auction if that is some attraction, and you force Melo to accept less money and one of your rivals won't be able to make other moves? IMO, the only motivation Phil should have accepting Boozer is if you give him something really good to go along with it. Not something mediocre. And I think draft picks at the bottom of round 1 are mediocre. The team picking up Boozer would not be able to get him as a full valued expiring contract, so yes the Bulls would have to give the Knicks something useful to go with that to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Stein said Bulls are trying to get Wade and Anthony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 12:18 PM) Stein said Bulls are trying to get Wade and Anthony! Ugh, where is the money coming for and where does Wade play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Stein said Bulls are trying to get Wade and Anthony! Yes on Anthony. No need for Wade if you get Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) That's not my question. My question is why pick up Boozer in a sign and trade with pretty worthless draft picks and other crappy pieces , allowing the Bulls to give Melo more money and use an exception for a guy like Mirotic, when you can still get Boozer's expiring contract at the amnesty auction if that is some attraction, and you force Melo to accept less money and one of your rivals won't be able to make other moves? IMO, the only motivation Phil should have accepting Boozer is if you give him something really good to go along with it. Not something mediocre. And I think draft picks at the bottom of round 1 are mediocre. Taking Boozer in a deal you get the full value of his cap number when it expires. If you sign him after he is cut you only get the number he signed for with whatever team he chooses big difference. Edited July 11, 2014 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Twitter says espn is talking about bulls getting wade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) That's not my question. My question is why pick up Boozer in a sign and trade with pretty worthless draft picks and other crappy pieces , allowing the Bulls to give Melo more money and use an exception for a guy like Mirotic, when you can still get Boozer's expiring contract at the amnesty auction if that is some attraction, and you force Melo to accept less money and one of your rivals won't be able to make other moves? IMO, the only motivation Phil should have accepting Boozer is if you give him something really good to go along with it. Not something mediocre. And I think draft picks at the bottom of round 1 are mediocre. Depends on their perception of Mirotic. If they think he's the guy who would have been a top 10 pick in this years draft then I wouldn't say he's a mediocre piece. I also think they'd have to throw in Butler. From reading NY boards they said Phil wants a hard nosed aggressive defender and Jimmy fits that bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Ugh, where is the money coming for and where does Wade play? Presume after signing Melo you would then do a S&T with Heat with some picks or something and get a TPE back from Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Yes on Anthony. No need for Wade if you get Anthony. Maybe we are going to have to give up more then we think to get Anthony which means we have to be creative to get other pieces. My preference is Anthony while keeping bulk of our assets. Don't know if that is doable. Depends on whether Phil will help us or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Stein said Bulls are trying to get Wade and Anthony! Oh, the guy who said the Bulls had no chance with Carmelo, and never did, and they knew it. These guys are pretty good. When they are right, they let everyone know, when they couldn't be more wrong, they just let it slide off their backs like it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Stein worded it in such a way that it sounds like other GMs think that the Bulls might want to make a move for Wade and Melo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) Twitter says espn is talking about bulls getting wade No Wade on the downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) Twitter says espn is talking about bulls getting wade So bye bye Butler and Mirotic? I think i'd rather have mirotic and the potential over one, maybe 2 years of Wade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'm not buying into Wade to Chicago (w/Melo stuff). But it could be done. Big thing is finding a way to get Melo. Do it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 In basketball terms (not personal or financial), Wade would fit well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) Oh, the guy who said the Bulls had no chance with Carmelo, and never did, and they knew it. These guys are pretty good. When they are right, they let everyone know, when they couldn't be more wrong, they just let it slide off their backs like it never happened. Stein has thrown s*** at the wall all off-season. I don't buy the report at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) In basketball terms (not personal or financial), Wade would fit well How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Stein said Bulls are trying to get Wade and Anthony! No clue how it'd happen but I'd be ecstatic. Don't even care if they have to roll out Greg Smith and Bairstow as the 4s next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Stein has thrown s*** at the wall all off-season. I don't buy the report at all. If you listen to it closely, he knows he's just repeating the speculation of execs that are out of the loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) Taking Boozer in a deal you get the full value of his cap number when it expires. If you sign him after he is cut you only get the number he signed for with whatever team he chooses big difference. To me the only motivation picking up Boozer at full price is what comes back with him. You have to figure he is at least $10 million overpriced at this point, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Bulls aren't pressuring Anthony for decision. GM Gar Forman/VP John Paxson, skipping start of summer league, remain in daily contact w/ camp -- KC Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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