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I mean, she screamed "you should go back to China" at that nurse while he is trying to make sure ambulances are able to get to the hospital, but sure she definitely needs someone to throw her a little love

Seriously? 41,000 dead Americans dead in a month. That is 15x the rate of gun violence in this country. It’s not even super close to true as the real number is what, 1.5 times that? 2 times that? We now have 13 9/11s out of just what we’ve counted, ignoring people dying at home or in immigrant communities or wherever else doesn’t matter. Imagine a 9/11 every 2 days. A Vietnam war each month. Is there no one you care about? You know no one who is immune compromised? Well let me introduce you. 2 days ago I was yelling at a distance at the 9 kids using the playground in my neighborhood because I couldn’t call the police as it was under 10 people, and if one of them had it then this neighborhood would have 5 families infected this week and no one would know until they passed it to me. I’m immune suppressed because my immune system went haywire last year, I’m out of a job in 5 weeks, my career is over, and if I can’t find something else I have no idea how to procure health insurance during this. I am personally terrified, with good reason. My doctor literally told me that because I was such a regular blood donor for 20 years I might have delayed the onset by helping nearly 300 people with donations, but I couldn’t stop that. So you want to know what scares me? It’s people like you ignoring how serious this is or coming up with your own conspiracy about why you are special, because if enough of you do that and one of you coughs on my porch, I die an agonizing death, and I become that statistic for you to ignore. I planned for this financially starting years ago. I will not go bankrupt any time soon because I thought there was a good chance our leadership would find a way to do something awful, and they did. But I couldn’t control my immune system, and right now I need help. I only live through this if other people act like this is serious. I can’t beat it if you don’t. so you know what scares me? That you and people like you are asking that question. Because you aren’t holding chambers 5 and 6 at your own head, you are holding it at mine and asking why I should be afraid.

This image of a nurse silently counter-protesting an anti stay-at-home protest is incredible. How much you want to bet that USA shirt was made in China?

I will not be going anywhere near Tennessee the next couple of years.

Hmmmm... he could I suppose. But that wouldn’t fit into their narratives very nicely. I banter with ss2k5 yesterday then Quinny enters and says enough so we both stop. I make one post today giving props to a dude who made a fantastic post. Minutes later, Tony comes in and derails the thread again with a bunch shaming by pointing how how hypocritical I am. Yeah, those guys are the model of integrity... no hypocrisy there. The irony is that the first post of mine that he quoted was my response to a couple moderators of this message board heckling a certain poster. But context doesn’t matter..

I have had it out with Tony myself, but you must admit you aren’t showing much empathy right now. Maybe Tony would bring out his best if you did.

Fantastic post. Empathy is exclusive of agreement. You can choose both empathy and disagreement at the same time. Some people just don’t get it. You absolutely get it man. Hats off to you.

We really don't know her job situation at all. She could be a retiree like that lady in Ohio who was just mad she couldn't get her hair colored. I prefer to look at it in the lens that it is someone who is working every day to save lives Through his actions confronting someone who doesn't care to save lives through their own actions.

What do you propose? Just throw out the entire last month’s shared national sacrifice and roll the dice? If we do it state by state, every single border is going to be blocked off from ones that are wide open. Why should those who are sacrificing pay the consequences for 5-10% who refuse to follow the guidelines? Why should those who foolishly went to Spring Break and are already recovered get the benefit of going back to work the earliest if they theoretically pass Covid or antibody tests? Why should the nursing home residents in Florida be exposed to illness because of the Six Degrees of Separation from beachgoers this weekend...likely passing it on to one of their caregivers inadvertently? If we had cell phone GPS tracking, this would be simple. People would be warned they wouldn’t receive any financial support from their insurance company or the government if it was determined they got sick from going to a location they couldn’t explain away as essential...other than the grocery story or required reporting to work (by government order.) Of course, hard to prove where it came from without contract tracing. They would just argue it was from the grocery store or drug store/pharmacy, right? Back to that solution which means surrendering privacy rights and giving up personal data to corporations and the government...to track everywhere you go, and you would have to explain all trips away from the house and justify your behavior in order to be treated in the hospital. So that would be fair...right? Of course all those people out protesting would protest THAT as well, right? If they do elect to take those risks, why should others have to pay the consequences for following guidelines? It’s no different than those idiots who try to cut to the front when there’s a merge due to highway construction with signs pointing this out miles ahead.

There is no difference. This is your interpretation of my actions based on your own narratives. You’ve decided you don’t like me and whatever you do from here on out will be filtered though that lens. I can see you pride yourself on calling other people’s bullshit. I’m not much different. But because of that, I’m not allowed to spread a positive message?? Ok.

I mean, there is a HOW. At a high level, everyone in the medical community and most governments have the same formula, with just a few subtle differences. It's that these people don't LIKE the plan, so they are willing to kill loads of people for their convenience. And they convince themselves of absurd conspiracy theories to justify it in their own minds.

I get wanting to restart, I really do. I want to as well but I have yet to see one person cry for the country to reopen provide a HOW. What is the plan? This just proves that they don't have one.

Just saw the governor of Tennessee plans to lift their stay-at-home order as soon as April 27th, a week from today. And not just lift the order, but him saying the great majority of businesses should open. No partial re-open, no phases, just put it back almost full blast. Meanwhile, Tennessee's daily new case numbers haven't diminished at all. No bend in the curve yet. I'm sure that is going to go well for them.

Oh Tony! I do own those statements. And I can absolutely understand why you would spend all that valuable time of yours finding them to accomplish nothing more than making someone on the internet look like a hypocrite. I get it man. Even though I don’t necessarily agree with it. Internet-message-board-moderator-brothers FOR LIFE, right? Oh BTW— How’s your glass house lookin’ Tony? Photos please.

Anyone here see Frozen? I've seen it like a million times. There is a part where the trolls are singing, and they say "People make bad choices when they are mad or scared or stressed. People everywhere are mad, scared and stressed. They don't know how to act. She could be like that retiree. I wonder why you prefer to look at it through the worst possible lens? Maybe your own biases? But as you said. We know nothing about this lady. Maybe she is mad over what we would say is no big deal. Maybe she's upset because as texsox said, maybe she lost her job, is facing foreclosure or eviction. Maybe she has seen her retirement completely destroyed. Maybe family members have lost their jobs. Maybe she hasn't been able to hold her granddaughter in 6 weeks. Who knows, maybe she is just an idiot. Whatever it is, she is out of sorts. And if there is no attempt at understanding why people are upset, it will just lead to more and worse conflict. A little empathy can really go a long way. If you throw a little love their way, you'll bring out their best.

So instead of that nurse trying to save someone's life or caring for their loved ones, they have to stand in traffic and risk their lives because someone wants the right to kill people. What a metaphor for 2020. The pro-life party wants to be able to infect people with a virus that kills somewhere between 1-3% of people who are infected with it, because freedom.

Dear Lord man. You feel better? Did you sleep? Flattening the curve and containment are not the same thing. We flattened the curve to avoid overrunning the available hospital care, not to snuff out the virus. And now you’re the one saying we need to trace and contain because (paraphrasing) “if one guy goes to a state park...you create the whole outbreak all over again.” That’s super scary. In your scenario, you’re tracing and containing from your state park, or grocery store, or hardware store, or train...but you’re ignoring the huge asymptomatic transmission going on as well. Every day, more information comes out that sends the asymptomatic rate even higher and higher. So again, how are you tracing and containing anything? And on top of that, how are you tracing and containing starting from a point of non-containment (flattening the curve wasn’t containment, current asymptomatic transmission during social distancing is ongoing). So again, what data point scares the shit out of you into thinking we’ve roughly contained the virus, and that opening is going to unleash doomsday again? Because that’s what you are telling people by saying we need to trace and contain. That this is a ticking time bomb ready to explode again the minute we open up. That’s scary as fuck. You’re scaring people. Which is fine, but you need data. 40,000 dead Americans is a reason to be scared, but by all accounts is pretty miraculous and a testament to our medical community and social distancing working. And since the goal of all this was never to snuff out the virus, but flatten the curve, why are we going to spike exponentially everywhere now if we open in the coming weeks? Was flattening pointless? Again point to some data that proves we didn’t flatten the curve. Not sure how me suggesting the impossibility of trace and contain equates to “not taking this seriously”. I know one person who almost died in the hospital but survived, and my immunocompromised wife had the worst flu of her life a month ago with O2 approaching ninety but couldn’t get tested. This is serious for everybody man; it’s inappropriate to take a “this is more serious to me” attitude and use that as some authority to dictate to others. You won’t apologize but that’s okay. Just chill out a little bit at least and discuss the virus, which we still don’t have much good data about. I get you’re scared because you’re more vulnerable, but some of us want to get excited when we see data that may hint that humans like you and my wife maybe aren’t going to be as hurt as previously thought. It’s okay to root for the good guys here. Root for the humans. Root for the Swedes to somehow flatten despite 10 million exposed; root for them to end up with a death rate between .0001-.001. Root for the asymptomatic rate to be astronomical. Stay safe.

If you knowingly infect someone with AIDS it is a felony. If you repeatedly shoot a fire arm into the air and eventually strike someone, it is manslaughter. Let's start talking about the same kind of penalties here.

I just don't see how people downplay this at all. It's not like a flu. It's not like auto accidents. There are 41,000 deaths with the world basically stopped. What would the total be if the world was not stopped? It should freak you out. People in large groups, or walking around without a mask should piss you off 1000 times more than someone lighting up a smoke in an airplane or restaurant and blowing smoke in your or your family's face. One time won't kill you. This might.

Both guys look brutal.

But...hasn’t that one person been everywhere the last 4 months? Doesn’t that one person go everywhere every day? Doesn’t that one person live in every apartment building in NYC? Doesn’t he touch the door handle every day? Didn’t he fly on planes all through December and January and February and March? Doesn’t he work at every hospital now? Doesn’t he go to the grocery store every day? Based on your state park model...didn’t he turn into hundreds and then thousands and then millions from December through March? Now that we’re social distancing... doesn’t he still go shopping? Doesn’t he still open doors? People are using bandanas, nobody can buy sanitizer and grocery stores are packed every day...for a month now. Isn’t he still everywhere? Don’t you get it yet man? You just laid out a scenario of mass infection from an outdoor state park. So what in all the F has been going on the last few months?! You think the US clamped down on that guy by social distancing? Lol. Which is it? Either we’re all completely quarantined or that guy is still everywhere every day, even now. Is it super infectious or not? Didn’t the one guy show up to the protests in Michigan and Ohio? Didn’t all those people bring it home? Aren’t they bringing it to the grocery store as we speak? Aren’t the people at the grocery store now bringing it home? Based on your model, why is that only going to happen now and why hasn’t it been happening the whole time? We didn’t quarantine shit in this country and you want to start that months into this...because we distanced...kinda...some better than others.

I am glad you called that out as a dog whistle. I was shaking my head in disbelief as I watched a video of protestors in Michigan protesting and holding Gadsen flags and a Confederate flag. I thought, what are they liberating themselves from? Common sense ? Decency ? Humanity ? I would like to see Trump boil his Pressers down to one day a week for a half hour max...perhaps on Thursday at noon. Then perhaps bi-weekly status meeting conducted by Fauci without Trump and his cabal looking over his shoulder. ALL of us are anxious to have the facts and none of us want to be manipulated with baloney, not with a potential life and death matter like this.

Right. NBA shut down at a time where testing was at like 3k total a day. It’s closer to 160 now but needs to be north of 300k a day so that the sports teams won’t feel like they are stealing. A lot needs to happen to get there, but if someone tests positive, you have a contained group of contacts. Test them, and move on and five days later retest.

Actually many people sick with this virus don’t know it, but are still sick and make others sick. The fact is we have no idea who is sick and who is not. And testing 1 out of 100 at this point, won’t help.

I’m actually shocked that Bruce Levine still has a job. He’s horrible. I don’t mind him being featured on the Score but I wish that Spiegel would replace him as the full time baseball guy.