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Is Jimmy suggesting Q? I thought we couldn't afford him?

I think the bidding for Musgrove is going to get out of our range pretty quick. Everyone wants a high upside cost controlled young SP for a couple years, especially with the financial uncertainty of the pandemic. I think if the Angels offer Marsh + it would take something very unwise to win that bidding war. I dont want to deplete the Kelley, Dahlquist, Thompson (I'm assuming Crochet is untouchable as is Kopech) future wave of possible SPs, esp if Giolito doesn't want to extend up front. We need a steady stream of young controllable SPs after Part I of the window (i.e. JR and TLR's last stand). If JR isnt gonna pay expensive long term deals for SP i doubt his son will either.

Why would we extend a RH first baseman now when we have 7 years of control already?

I didn't know Katz made those comments. Thanks for letting me know. Perhaps that's why they seem to be looking into Musgrove closely as it seems Q is priced out of our range financially, if they want to still afford Hendriks.

I dont think TLR would mind since he likes guys with "edge" and TA seems to get along real well with Bauer too on social media. The real issue is there is no way JR will pay for him, not even on a short term deal. If they are pinching pennies in the OF just to afford a 13m closer, there is no way they are gonna pay 30+m for a pitcher even if for only 1-2 years.

Both are affordable. LaStella will be needed since Madrigal might not be healthy to start the year and I get a feeling TLR might like LA Stella better anyway. He provides Moncada long hauler COVID insurance at 3b, too. Give him 1/8m. We can get Schwarber for 1/5-6m. Play musical chairs with him and Eloy at LF/DH. Honestly, if we can get Hendriks plus those two, I'd be fine not adding another SP if we are maxed out. I think Kopech and Cease can hold down 4/5.

I think Q is gonna cost more than 10m so it seems they are moving on to other options at SP4.

The Dodgers got Betts and it seemed to work out well for them.

Then they need to sign Brantley and go to Plan B at closer.

Yeah I'm so pissed and frustrated about Joc. That was so obvious. And he could have been a good bridge to Colas because since we have to wait till 2022 for him to even play in the minors he won't be ready till 2023 I assume. Joc would have been an awesome righty killing RFer. If they lose out on Hendriks it will be so infuriating.

There's about 1.8m tied up in everyone except the big two. If they really want Colas to get real minor league experience next year so he could potentially be ready to contribute in RF in 2022, maybe they could just give him that money to expedite his path to Chicago, rather than forcing us into another year of Eaton or some other scrub in RF. Ofcourse the issue would be damaging relationships with agents and handlers for those other players who someday may have much higher profile clients we might want.

I think most people here would have been perfectly fine giving up Crochet/Stiever/Collins/Rutherford for a few years of cheap control of Snell. Getting Blake Snell without giving up Kopech or Vaughn would have been a massive steal, especially with Crochet's elbow prolly being a ticking time bomb.

That seems a little light to me. TB should have been able to pull Gore.

This. JR will fold when someone offers a 4th year. Then our FO will have to make two quick signings to distract so Hahn doesn't look like a moron when he gets called to the mat for his "dont judge the Eaton signing in isolation" comment.

Yes, although now one of the foodies just said Colome isn't coming back regardless as the Sox are predicting regression. If they aren't going to shell out what it takes on Hendriks (and its increasingly feeling that way), they might as well pivot to Brantley and then add another closer later. Actually, I wouldn't mind if Bummer took over that role and maybe Heuer/Crochet could pitch the 8th.

I find it hard to believe we are going to outbid the Mets, especially since Cohen will not forget JR trying to block his ownership. This is gonna be personal and if 4 years are required he will offer it just to screw us. Then we will quickly resign Colome and trot KW or RH out there to say "we felt more comfortable with Alex anyway" I'd also expect another signing as well to soften the blow....maybe Brantley?

I think 6 years of 3 WAR from Madrigal is not realistic unless he is both a GG caliber defender and like a .360 OBP guy. A 2 WAR guy sure but 3, much less 3 for 6 years in row is pushing it. I dont want to move him either (unless its for like Snell) but I don't see him as a superstar either.

JR almost certainly would object. I think I saw Musgrove would be eligible for arbitration in 2022....so if PIT wanted both Stiever and Rutherford, PIT would also need to send a little cash back, too.

And Cherington wants prospects not MLB players anyway. Stiever should be the headliner and throw in a few lower pieces but none of Kelley, Crochet, Dalquist or Thompson (or Kopech, obviously). I'm hesitant to throw in Rutherford as it sounds like he made some real strides power wise according to something I read.

If they signed him, wouldn't it suggest they'd be moving Madrigal for another cost controlled SP?

If its within 30 days we prolly can do the exchange, so long as RH still has the receipt. No Seriously, they are going to get wrecked in the playoffs by righty killers if they don't address this issue.

Another right handed hitter....

Ok.... Wait a minute, i thought you just said "all major trades were decided jointly"? Hypocrisy much? You're likely a JR hired disinfo specialist probably sent here from NBCSN Chicago. Nice try, tho.

RH did a great job in the rebuild acquiring top end young talent and extending them to team friendly long term deals. It just sucks JR isnt gonna let him spend sufficiently to supplement the core appropriately.

I dont think he will last too long after that forearm strain, regardless of the spin they were pushing about it after the fact, so I'll take whatever role they want to use him in. If he can hack the starter role this quick, more power to him, but does he have a third quality pitch?