Look at Ray Ray Run

Nice deal. Prospects are so overrated by market and fans these days it's insane.

Pretty funny to toot bader who has expected numbers much worse than robert. The outcome has been better, but much of that is just noise.

If the Sox could get Mick Abel for Luis Robert they should have traded yesterday. Obviously this is a fake account but just saying.

Something is better than nothing for Slater.

I find it to be a decent barometer for league perspectives on trade value as its the only series that gets front office thoughts from most teams to determine a players spot. Do I think it defines value? Nope, but I do think a guy going from HM to top 17 is likely a guy the league views more fondly than they did the year prior. I also dont think it should be a surprise to anyone that crochet staying healthy and leading baseball in IP would increase his value quite a bit given that his only concern was health and durability. Also @MEANS, why don't you try participating in the discussion for once instead of going around adding bag emoji's over all my posts. While I appreciate the emojis, I'm sure you'd enjoy it more if you just got to call me a dope instead of using the emoji.

Well, take it up with the ranking he received. I'd usually hesitate to cite anything publicly available as a good barometer, but they do a good job communicating with team leaders throughout the league and getting a good baseline. It seems undeniable that he's worth more today than he was even 5 months ago.

Because he is worth more today post extension than he was worth pre-trade. Doesn't mean they can't do well in the trade they did make

Robert mania

Two yacks against two toughhh lefties too.

Please let me know what else I can work on so that one day I can sit at the big boy table with you.

After being an honorable mention last year, Crochet moved up to #17 on fangraphs trade value series --- with his contract. Crochet has certainly gained more value since the Sox traded him, but he remains polarizing because of any perceived injury concern. In this case though, I'd argue the Sox made the wrong gamble with Crochet but that doesn't mean they cant come out ok from the trade.

Sox couldn't have traded him sooner, couldn't have helped him develop better, and couldn't help him stay healthier. With all their past successes, they've earned the benefit of the doubt from me.

So if they trade for Vientos, will it have been planted? Or real? Just want to catch up to where you were in your 30's. I'm on the record saying multiple back-end prospects with limited reps/younger age would be better than Vientos. A Vientos package is a worst case scenario imo.

The White Sox being insistent on Vientos, as reported, somehow means he's the only kind of player available to you. Under the way you are portraying this, the White Sox can never do any better on any trades because these were the only players available....

You're speaking in narratives. Players don't typically slump for years, those are usually just bad players. Development and value is linear in the first few years for players, meaning that you actually expect the players that belong to get better YoY, not worse. It doesn't mean bounce backs never happen, but you'd prefer more rounded players who add value in multiple ways as their bounce backs aren't reliant on a single skill.

Age being younger than 23 is also a weighted benefit for the above (not a hard requirement, but an age scale that's hard to overcome).

A lottery ticket is any prospect ranked outside of the top 200 aggregated, or any prospect that does not appear in MLB centered rankings (meaning League wide, not team centered). If you can't get top 100 guys, they should be acquiring as many of those as they possibly can with skills/abilities that they feel they can maximize. There's a LOT of noise with that group. There's much less noise with players who have shown you who they are.

This feels like the 10th time I've read this here now... please someone show me where there is value in "post hype players." Please even define the classification. I have no idea where we've gotten this thought that we "increase value" by acquiring players who have accrued data to the point of them being now classified as lesser players. The unknown and/or limited rep players are where variability is much higher and the margins for forecasting error are also much higher. That's where you should be playing. This is a team that should be acquiring lottery tickets with carry-skills or abilities that the team excels at maximizing in my opinion. The more data on a player, the more reliable and accurate your projections/forecasts should be. Vientos now has 265 games where he has accumulated 1.5 WAR. He's done that while being an atrocious defender, a below average runner and a slightly below average bat.

It's incredible how much better Sosa is at everything but chase rate.

Funny thing is Vientos isnt duplicating that either. Vientos has a xwOBA in the 15th percentile -- significantly worse than Robert. The only thing worse than his 12th percentile offensive run value added is his 8th percentile fielding grade. Vientos is slow, with a horrible defensive profile, a slow bat and horrible zone control numbers.

I guess I should pretend to like Vientos. Weird take.

I wouldnt view it as much of a win if they got him for free. Vientos stinks.

The Braves have 97 starters on the IL

If the White Sox were playing an injured player just to trade him, that would be a whole new level of low.

Can someone actually show me how this is a "mark deficiency?" Id rather keep Robert than trade him for Vientos.