Look at Ray Ray Run

The red sox traded from a strength (young controllable pitching) for a weakness. If you believe in the Mead changes, I think it makes more sense than people are making it out to be. Sox should be doing the same thing but in reverse; trading controllable hitting (a strength) for controllable pitching.

They have zero reliable pitching in the minor leagues, and beyond Burke i dont see much sustainable success in the future in the big leagues (and burke could get hurt any day). The best pitcher of the bunch is struggling mightily this year (i still believe Schultz will be a star eventually if the sox dont screw him up too bad), so I just don't see this sustainable juggernaut that others see. I see a team that has some position player talent that they need to turn into good controllable pitching, otherwise theyre going to be relying on good batted ball luck and sequencing luck to maintain a survivable pitching staff for years to come. Which im of course very skeptical of.

Agreed. The idea that this is just the beginning is not something any Sox fan should believe. If this team won 75 games next year, i dont think anyone would be shocked. Make the most of your opportunities while also trying to improve the roster wholes this team has on the pitching side. Make the most of the limited opportunities you have. Most of the Sox current prospects will turn into nothing.

Mcdougal threw 113 innings last year and has thrown 38 this year. Hagen threw 90 over summer and fall. He's at 55 so far this year.

How could his limit be 100 innings if his previous high is 88 and 80 last year. That should put him around 130-140 this year. Never heard of 3 MLB years to ramp up to 150 innings lol.

Ouch! Early starts. Sox sure could use that!

Think Emerson has to be pretty affordable. They need to move someone because they have two elite of elite SP prospects that are ready, and Emerson doesn't have a long track record of success. I just have no idea why a team with Cole Young would trade for Meidroth. Only 2 more years of control and he's not a big swing and miss guy. They're usually cheaper.

3 of their top 4 SP prospects have now all been moved to the bullpen. (taylor, McDougal, smith)

I'd love the Sox to go after Hunter Greene if he's made available. I'd trade a haul for that.

It's not like Hagen has a ton to work on or anything! Don't worry, they super duper promise this is temporary. Sox love taking their starters and turning them into two pitch bullpen arms. At least he doesnt have command issues which rear their head horribly out of the pen. Ill say i think he's a reliever anyway.

It was a question about the list he provided. That's how people communicate on forums, they see something and ask for clarification. Maybe you should go create another user name instead of policing responses that ask simple questions.

There are tons of minor league relievers who have good stuff and poor command that holds them back.

How does Wikelman have "real trade value?" An ERA over 5 with a 1.333 whip in the minors.

Same thing that happened to Schultz. Sox recommended some changes that failed miserably.

Sir, did you read the new prospect rankings by KLaw today? I feel you've been influenced!

Getz was in charge of PD. It's honestly incredible the hoops people will jump through. Getz has given the reigns to some smarter people in the draft room and so far they've drafted better on the positiom player side, and the one time he got involved we got Hagen Smith instead of the future #1 prospect in baseball. Getz Gets all the PD credit when it's not his actual job and none of the blame from when it was his actual job lol

You've already got people calling this better than the last rebuild. Even though Getz and company have showed zero ability to identify and develop any pitching at all. The sad truth is most fans allowed Getz and Jerry bringing the team to horribly inept lows to recalibrate their expectations for a team.

They've gotten less WAR out of 4 players than the one guy himself has gotten so far. I'm literally befuddled as to how people talk about this trade. But I didnt really make the thread to have running back and forth, just to update on progress so bowing out until next progress update.

Mike Leake went straight to the big leagues as have multiple others, but agree on the general point.

Yes, because FIP has a higher correlation to future ERA than actual ERA. That's why having a terrible fip is bad.

Yeah, I'm the only one who thought the Sox would be bad. You got me! I actually turned around on Vargas faster than most as well.

They weren't very good. I lgave his stats excluding the bad ones. They were terrible.

It's literally exactly what he said. His arm was sore after the 3rd to last start. Meaning it was bothering him then. You chose to keep it as a part of the "future of thorpe" narrative because it supported the case.

Only way I'll be intrigued is if it comes out he's sitting 93 now. As long as he has the slowest fastball among mlb starters he won't have much of a chance imo. People just squat on that change and react to the fastball since it cant beat you.

So his arm was bothering him during the 3rd to last start but he had good results so we dont throw that one out. Interesting!