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Voted 10 Plus for "usually attend" Includes game count for most recent season (2019) prior to COVID/Tony La Russa. Attended at least 10 games in 2019. 2020 COVID = 1 Spring Training Game (San Diego 3 @ Chicago White Sox 1 = Diamondback Ranch. Ahead of 99% of Sox fans due to government lockdowns. 2021-2022 = Tony La Russa Boycott. Hard Pass. 2023 = Hitting Games # 2 & 3 today. Voted 1-5 for 2023. Haven't seen a White Sox regular season run in person since September 28, 2019. They lost to the Saint Louis Cardinals 3-0 during Game 1, Saturday, July 8th. Perhaps they will score over 18 innings today. If not, then I guess it's me.

For Jerry and his "competitors", the grift never ends.

Stubhub listed $2 UD tickets & $6 LD tickets for tomorrow. However, they are charging $5.60 + fees on top of the tickets, so $7.60 or $11.60 to get you in the door. Too damn expensive for 2023 White Sox Baseball. Club Seats were a decent deal $25 all in. If this was 2019, would have bought the club seats and enjoyed a twilight DH and an up and coming team. Chill like Oran Juice Jones. I like a mostly empty park for a late season game or doubleheader. 9/12/19 - Kansas City 6 White Sox 3 - Paid attendance 13,838 (Ha Ha), Start Time Weather 72 F 9/14/19 - Craft Beer Tasting Event on an off day 9/18/19 Bob-o's Combo & Cheese Fries (Need to stay on topic in terms of the game thread) 9/27/19 - Game ended up being suspended in the fourth inning, up 4-2. Tickets were accepted for a doubleheader the following day. The Friday game was already a scheduled doubleheader, so the Sox and Tigers played 161 games in 2019. 9/28/19 - Alex Colome blew a 2-1 lead in the Top of the ninth, giving up 3. The Sox scored one in the bottom frame to lose 4-3. Below is the resumption of the suspended game. It got a bit too crowded for the regularly scheduled contest, but made it through the game. 25,552 the announced paid attendance. Have been to two White Sox home games since, a 3-1 Exhibition Game loss vs. San Diego on March 2, 2020 in an even more meaningless exhibition game than usual (the players were locked out the first 102 games). Was my first Spring Training ever, was always busy at work in the Winter/early Spring. Wonder if Caulfield was there. @caulfield12 7/8/23 - And my latest game, a 3-0 loss to Saint Louis. 26,560 announced paid attendance, would say at least a third backed the Cardinals. And that's wrap on my last four years as a Sox fan.

I'd say there is a high probability the organization will not significantly improve. The best we can hope for (not necessarily expect) is Jerry nears and surpasses 90 is he will not have the stamina / interest / health to meddle as he has in the past. Plus you don't have two guys working against each other. Getz can't blame Kenny for a decade plus of his failures (assuming Tony is out of the picture - could be a big if). Also, for a majority of points, it's just a different mindset, not a costly endeavor. Hahn was ill prepared and inept, couldn't build a cohesive roster or run an organization. Acted more like a Rotisserie Baseball General Manager than a MLB General Manager. I don't see Jerry demanding the following: Hitters should not work counts. Pitchers should nibble and work counts full, exiting the game after 4-5 starter innings. The GM should focus primarily on RP and DH/1B draft and FA acquisitions. Players should play with poor fundamentals. Players should not play hard / run to first. Players should not be placed on the IL until absolutely necessary, and should return unable to play for days if not weeks and hope for the best. The Sox should field shorthanded rosters on a regular basis. There should not be a consistent organizational player development philosophy. Every man and coach for himself has worked brilliantly, DIY improvement (Lucas/ SF Getz) is preferred. The organization is at ground zero. You can recruit young hungry coaches with the knowledge they can progress and have many open opportunities with the dearth of current coaching talent.

This costs Jerry money. I approve. Comiskey Park II Attendance Lows (Under 1,650,000) (Excluding Strike Lockout (1994-1995) & Government Lockdowns (2020-2021) Seasons) (Average required over remaining 12 dates to surpass in 2023) 1999 1,338,851 (Surpassed) 1998 1,391,146 (Surpassed) 2018 1,608,817 (13,941) 2017 1,629,470 (15,662) 2019 1,649,775 (17,354) I smell empty pop can 2 for 1 ticket deals in 2024.

Chris Getz, until Big Daddy Dayton Moore arrives. Or in Dayton speak The Father (Dayton), The Son (Getz) and The Holy Ghost (Tony La Russa). In all seriousness, it's possible Hahn and Kenny tied his hands on some veterans. Jeff Torborg, Ozzie Guillen and Ricky Renteria were the only three managers I recall holding veterans accountable under Jerry's tenure, Ozzie in the 2000s until he stopped caring the final few seasons. If Getz can establish these standards, it will be an upgrade from Kenny Hahn: Players are expected to run to first base on every play. Players are taught fundamentals, are expected to play proper baseball, and are benched, demoted and or cut if they do not perform consistently under these expectations. Injured players are placed on the IL and do not return until fully recovered. Players are expected to work counts, extend opponent pitchers. Pitchers are expected to be effective working the strike zone, and be confident in allowing balls in play (pitchers can do after establishing point 6). Limit key acquisitions to athletic players who can hit and defend, with plus defenders up the middle. Never use a high draft pick or spend significant FA money on another poor defender or poor athlete / DH / 1B type. Period. Ever. These players are a dime a dozen. Minor League and Major League coaches are held accountable for player development and advancing a thoughtful consistent organizational approach at every level. This includes catching. Bring in a solid dedicated resource to coach major and minor league catchers on pitch calling/game management, proper defensive technique, pitch framing, game planning. Develop a modern pitching lab / system where players are taught the proper techniques and methods throughout the organization. Work with Katz or his replacement to establish.

Would be funny if Rick Hahn shows up today and addressed the media as a ticket holding fan on the 100 level concourse. Funnier if he did so while drinking a fifth of bourbon. Even better drinking the bourbon and pulling out a gun Joe Pesci Goodfellas Spider Scene style as peeps do these days at Comiskey Park II. Dance Bruce.

We must also remember Getz is the only person since Branch Rickey who has done it the right way, the Jerry Reinsdorf preferred way.

Would rather they send Getz and Pedro back to Kansas City, where they belong.

Let us lose 100 games! Hopefully it won't be for another 57 Jerry years.

If I'm Jerry I'm pissed not because who they received or did not receive in the Miami trade but that they dumped a viable salary controlled starter over the next few years. Especially since this was reported to have nixxed at Tim Anderson trade, so cost Jerry $13M net (Burger vs. Anderson), was likely the last straw in his eyes to dump both Kenny and Rick, who also keeps on giving with the Benintendi debacle. $X - Arb / FA Estimates Estimated 2024 Payroll $125.7M Lineup (9) $59.2M: C Lee ($0.7M); 1B Vaughn ($1.3M); 2B Sosa ($0.7M)' 3B Moncada ($24.8M); SS Gonzalez ($0.7M); LF Benintendi ($17.1M); CF Robert Jr. ($12.5M); RF Colas ($0.7M); DH/3B Burger ($0.7M). Reserves (4) $3.1M: C Perez ($0.7M); INF Remillard ($0.7M); 1B/DH G. Sheets ($0.7M); OF Thompson ($1.0M). Rotation (6) $24.9M: Greinke ($8.0M); Cease ($7.5M); Kopech ($3.5M); Urena ($2.0M); Toussaint ($2.5M); Patino ($1.2M). Bullpen (9) $28.0M: Hendriks ($15.0M); Bummer ($5.5M); Shaw ($2.0M); Crochet ($1.5M); Lambert ($1.2M); Santos ($0.7M); Banks ($0.7M); Padilla ($0.7M); Ramsey ($0.7M). Buyouts $10.5M: $5.5M Leury; $4.0M Clevinger; $1.0M Diekman. Trade away ($0.0M): Eloy ($13.8M).

LMAO at the Arlington Heights Bears. Get the f*** out of Chicago you loser sacks of s%*#.

I watched a hour show on Window To The World about Soul Food yesterday "Soul Food Junkies" filmed ten years ago. Would say fried fish and hushpuppies the few types of soul food I like, and I try to keep away beyond a few times a year. Louisiana Creole food is more up my alley, but would call this more of an offshoot or departure from what most people think of soul food.

Atlanta Position Player 2023 fWAR = 34.3 Luis Robert Jr. 2023 fWAR = 5.1 Rest of the White Sox Position Player 2023 fWAR = 0.0.

So is Urena the favorite to start on 2024 Opening Day, assuming the Sox don’t sign Zach Greinke? White Sox Starter 2023 ERAs: 2.25 Urena 3.64 Clevinger 4.38 Scholtens 4.98 Cease 5.19 Kopech White Sox Reliever 2023 ERAs: 3.14 Santos 3.52 Ramsey 3.60 Crochet 3.60 Patino 3.75 Peralta 4.70 Toussaint 4.88 Banks 5.26 Lambert 5.29 Shaw 5.40 Hendriks 5.79 Padilla 6.88 Bummer 7.27 Navarro 11.74 Cronin

Jerry is such an assclown. “The Sox couldn’t afford a year for a guy from the outside, Getz knows the organization”. And what the f*** dies Pedro and his weakass staff know beyond losing and loafing, same as Getz’ tenure in player development. Hahn at least dished out higher quality and at times entertaining bullshit. Every time Getz speaks, this is all I hear:

Because Dick didn’t kiss Reinsdorf ass or anyone else’s ass for decades like Harold Baines or other assembled members of Jerry’s Crony Wack Pack. Dick Allen’s 7th - 12th best seasons were almost as good as Baines 6 best seasons. Jerry needs to be banned from the HOF, and Selig should be booted for their roles in canceling the lone World Series in MLB history, not to mention various collusion seasons, steroids coverup and other actions against the integrity of MLB.

Current 40 Man Roster + 60 Day IL Players 2023 YTD White Sox 2023 OPS: .878 Robert .754 Jimenez .747 Vaughn .716 Moncada .698 Benintendi .669 Andrus .662 Grandal .629 Remillard .621 Sheets .612 Perez .584 Gonzalez .578 Colas .574 Anderson .560 Haseley .545 Frazier .525 Sosa .496 Thompson .417 Lee .000 Rodriguez 2023 ERA: 2.25 Urena 3.14 Santos 3.52 Ramsey 3.60 Crochet 3.60 Patino 3.64 Clevinger 3.75 Peralta 4.38 Scholtens 4.70 Toussaint 4.88 Banks 4.98 Cease 5.19 Kopech 5.26 Lambert 5.29 Shaw 5.40 Hendriks 5.79 Padilla 6.88 Bummer 7.27 Navarro 11.74 Cronin

Please reply with players who I may have missed. Player has had to played for both the White Sox (any year) & their current team in 2023, and be on the team's current 40 man roster. Former White Sox organizational players who never reached and played at least one game for the White Sox are not considered for this list. List of ex White Sox who may reach the 2023 Playoffs: Team currently over .500 Player(s) Years played on the White Sox White Sox bWAR Baltimore 90-51 James McCann 2019-2020 4.9 Boston 72-70 Reese McGuire 2022 0.0 Chris Sale 2010-2016 30.1 Chicago N. L. 76-67 Nick Madrigal 2020-2021 1.7 Houston 80-62 Jose Abreu 2014-2022 31.8 Kendall Graveman 2022-2023 1.7 Los Angeles N. L. 86-54 Joe Kelly 2022-2023 -1.0 Lance Lynn 2021-2023 4.9 Miami 73-69 Jake Burger 2021-2023 1.7 Johnny Cueto 2022 3.5 Avisail Garcia 2013-2018 6.4 David Robertson 2015-2017 2.9 Milwaukee 79-62 Thyago Vieira 2018-2019 -0.5 Minnesota 75-67 Dallas Keuchel 2020-2022 1.0 Philadelphia Dylan Covey 2017-2019 -2.9 Craig Kimbrel 2021 0.0 Tampa Bay Jake Diekman 2022-2023 -1.3 Texas Dane Dunning 2020 0.1 Marcus Semien 2013-2014 1.3 Toronto Chris Bassitt 2014 0.6

I was hoping smoke and mirrors would continue until the Dodgers started him in the playoffs. Now there is little to no chance of it beyond significant injuries. Still hope they get knocked out in the Division Series.

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Was this a day game?

Trying real hard to remember a scenario White Sox Fans weren't considered "them" in the eyes of Jerry and his minion's "Us", and that includes Boyer. Treats fans like rubes. We don't have to look for anyone else, Robin, Tony, Getz are our guys. Pedro will return. They are the best available, I don't need to interview anybody else. Tony and Getz know it all, Getz better than Kenny and Rick combined. "Chris is the only person in 43 years to develop minor league players the right way, the way I wanted." - Jerry Reinsdorf August 31, 2023 Hard to be passionate for an organization that dumps and trashes many players and contributors that care greatly and were top contributors. Fisk, Thomas, Hawk, Ricky, Jose. "“Allen had kind of a checkered career, I wouldn’t have voted for him, he only had 6 good seasons.” - Jerry Reinsdorf

The correct answer, Polish Sausage, Beers and Mashed Potatoes and Gravy with The Crusher. "I'm going to start eating 6 pounds of Polish Sausage a day, Increase my beer from a case to a case and a half, and I'm going to eat a lot of mashed potatoes and gravy."