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Always good to see Kenny trade a name player for guys nobody has ever heard of. Nice job, Ken. Keep selling those season tix.

Fourth place. Hope I'm wrong. It's time for this team to wake up and show some life.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) Just off ERA alone, Danks has a 3.77 ERA since 2008. Mark's ERA since 2008 is 3.88. Danks has also had more fWAR than Buehrle over that time period, even though Buehrle has thrown more innings during that timespan. Add in the 6 year age difference and it's a no brainer that I'd rather give the $14 million to Danks. I know you like to relish 2005 and Mark has been the face of this franchise for the past decade. But moving forward, Danks is the much better option to give a big contract to. The Marlins are going to be overpaying Buehrle by quite a bit in 2-3 years. I think Mark helps other pitchers as well. His approach is the best in baseball. Perhaps in baseball history. Get it and throw it. Move the ball around. IMO Sox should have paid him.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:46 AM) I am so glad that the quitter is out of town... The quitter that gave me the only WS title of my lifetime and I don't think many of us will see another one. I'd like to know the odds of the White Sox winning another title in the next 40 years. Not flaming. I just want the exact odds assuming baseball payrolls will only go up and up and up.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 05:10 AM) Danks is 26 and he's been a better pitcher than Mark over the past 4 seasons. There's a huge difference. Man. I'll just have to say I violently disagree. Mark has been awesome.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:17 AM) Good stuff. Clearly, there's a difference of opinion on Molina's stuff. We've seen fastball velocities ranging anywhere from 89-96. There have also been some scouts projecting with time/maturity/filling out physically that his "consistent" velocity can pick up into the 92-96 MPH range as he gets older. Not quite as much about the movement, which is equally important. Seems, from his stats, that he's missing quite a few bats, one of the biggest issues for Danks when he's off. At the risk of overreacting from one video or being called a jerk ... did anybody else watch that one video of Molina and it appear that he has no fastball?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:38 AM) You'd pay him $14 million a year to stay? For 4 years no less? Mark's probably my favorite baseball player and there's no way in hell I'd want him back at those rates. It's all relative. Look at what the Sox are paying Danks. Some might say he is not worth that amount of loot as well.

2011 was an utter disaster for the Sox. The record was way better than the way most fans felt about that team. Outside of opening day there were precious few highlights. Predictably, it ended badly with Ozzie. Predictably, it ended very sadly with Mark. It's inexcusable to let him leave the team. Here's hoping Dunn wakes up and earns the money this year. You'd think about now he'd start busting his ass. He's had enough time off. Starting Jan. 1, start working out, Mr. Big Contract. Thank you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 06:18 AM) Greg, what solution do you have to the Dunn/Rios dilemma? Bench both of them for the entire season? They're not building around Dunn and Rios anyway, they're building around the pitching staff (outside of Peavy/Thornton/Floyd) as well as Morel, Beckham, Viciedo, DeAza, Flowers, Lillibridge, etc. Hopefully Mitchell or Walker emerge as a future leadoff hitter (CF/LF). Escobar and Martinez for the middle INF. Marinez (from FLA) hasn't been mentioned often as a bullpen candidate very often, but he figures into that equation well...as he could allow Stewart/Axelrod/Santiago and Molina to get valuable "maturation" experience as a starter in the minors. I'm all for playing Dunn/Rios and seeing if they can turn it around. My point is since we're stuck with them I'm in favor of tinkering, not rebuilding.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 12:52 AM) Ozzie has been indisputedy proven a liar. For a long time, I was torn and supported Ozzie. Then his own, accidentally and prematurely released, announcement of his acceptance of the Miami job sealed it. After that, any doubts in my mind about his priorities being, first, money, and, second, using the Sox to make KW look bad were cast aside. Once those doubts were gone, using the retrospectoscope to review the season made Ozzie's line-up decisions easy to comprehend. Ozzie's position on things change day to day. He's a motormouth who says whatever he wants. Some of you IMO think he has some patterned agenda. He's just a talkaholic. I find that refreshing.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 04:00 AM) That seems impossible. Time needs to slow the eff down! That's amazing that ST is just around the corner. Looks like Kenny is tinkering rather that totally rebuilding. I'd have to say I'm in favor of it. On paper AGAIN we have a good pitching staff and with Dunn and Rios it seems silly to put all young guys around them. Everybody needs to have a career year and get the Sox back in the playoffs.

ND quarterback is transferring to Kansas. What will he do for Kansas next year? Team is coming off a 2-10 and has fairly lousy talent, especially compared to Big 12's better schools.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Dec 25, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws In other news, Dunn has lost 20lbs and is in the best shape of his life, Rios has been hitting off a tee 12 hrs a day, the check is in the mail, etc LOL. Great line. At least most of us realize these stories are all fluff. I know we all want Beckham to excel but get ready for more on Gordon in all the papers and Dunn and Rios. They all are gonna be rejuvenated.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 26, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) Well, there is a mountain of evidence that Ozzie is petty and more concerned with his own squabbles than anything else. That much, to me, is not debatable. Given that, I couldn't think of a better explanation of why he was placing Dunn in the situations he did late in the season. Do you really think Ozzie is above playing someone in a suboptimal position to prove a point? I think there are no lengths to which Ozzie WOULDN'T go to prove a point if he felt disrespected. He's made it clear that his "honor" is more important than anything else. That said, I'm not as much of an Ozzie hater as many, and I wish him well in Miami. It might be a situation more suited to his talents (he really wanted to manage an NL team anyway). My position on Dunn/Ozzie is simple. Many disagree with it. Dunn made some astronomical amount of money last year. Ozzie played him a lot and batted him in the meat of the order all year. Dunn failed miserably. How there is some Ozzie/devil thing going on regarding Dunn baffles me. He played the guy a lot and the guy failed. I mean it's unfortunate Dunn was pathetic, but IMO Ozzie supported him pretty well; he played the guy.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Dec 26, 2011 -> 12:37 AM) I'm used to not really getting too much for Christmas, but I got a new laptop, a ukulele, a new Bunny rabbit to replace our old one that died a year ago almost to the day, Also gifted myself a 27 game Sox plan. Also getting license un-suspended this week. Probably the best Christmas gift-wise in all of my 25 years. I'm giddy like a little child. Why was your license suspended? Be careful with your newfound license freedom. John Law is always out there. Merry Christmas one and all. I'm at Midway Airport right now, terminal B in case anybody wants to come and punch me for my years on Soxtalk. I can even buy you a meal in the foodcourt.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 25, 2011 -> 08:10 AM) I think Ozzie did that intentionally. I think he was putting Dunn in the worst spots possible to screw with him and to set him up for failure because he did not like Dunn nor what he represented to the White Sox and it was his way of getting back at Williams for giving him a team he did not want. Yes, I think Ozzie is that petty and shallow. Ugh. This is all part of the sports cliche. Blame the manager. Too easy to blame the players or uh, the guy who acquired the players. You think Ozzie did that intentionally? wow. Yeah Ozzie is the devil. And this has nothing to do with my opinion of the Dunn family situation. If his child is sick, prayers go to them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 01:07 AM) With how much certainty can you say we're not going to be competitive this year? Stranger things have happened, like 2000, 2005 and 2008. All of those seasons came out of low or lowered expectations. I'm not going to Vegas and betting on it happening, but you can never completely count the Sox out of the AL Central race any season either. But yeah, Viciedo has to play everyday, period. If Dayan is a franchise type player like many thought he was, and we keep the rotation in tact the rest of the way and Dunn loses 25 pounds and Beckham gets his head out of his ass and Lexi has a bustout year, yes we could contend. There's no reason to totally tear the team apart.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Then that Sergio trade was foolish, incredibly foolish. Kenny should be fired over the Sergio trade unless Addison is the real deal as closer.

That piece, once again, paints Coop as a creep. Don't kill the messenger. Just the take I got from reading it. s***, Danks is on the record in the story.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 08:01 PM) Then they shouldn't make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Humber, Sale is a major league rotation that can win if everything goes right. If they have a rotation with Axelrod and Stewart, they're not winning. They worry about attendance so why not at least sell a little hope with a pretty good rotation and see where they are in June/July. Great post. It amazes me how so many want to shred the roster just to tag the team as officially "rebuilding." Shredding the roster will mean more than 10 years of horrible records on the southside. The team will be out of business by then. No good attendance figures at the Cell from this point on unless the team is good. Why do so many people just want young guys who suck on the field? At least with flavum's plan we COULD win. This team supposedly is built on pitching and home runs anyway.

Sounds like Kansas is getting an old guy set in his ways. I guess he will be the offensive coordinator here, so that assures bad running game according to what you all said. I'd suspect KU's best season(s) under Weis would be .500. Is that a correct assumption? Remember, every year Ks has to play Okla. Ok State, Texas, West Virginia, TCU, K-State. I guess there's a chance he could get the program to equal with some of these teams like Iowa State, KState, maybe TCU, Baylor?

Interesting stuff. They are going to pay him 2.5 million a year for 5 years. He needs hip surgery within the next two weeks. Very interesting reads on here.

I'm glad I am not a person who ever thinks about contracts. Who gives a f*** if he makes 6 mill a year? It's not your money. Ticket prices are not going down; parking is not going down whether he's here or not. Pujols obviously won't be worth squat for the last few years of his deal. They are paying him to try to win a couple world championships and if they do, he'll have been worth it. If they win 2 WS in the next six years, they won't give a frick that he hits like Dunn the final 4 years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 01:19 AM) Buehrle just on CSN, called today a sad day. Said he never received an offer from the Sox, said when things were going to go down, went back to the Sox for some sort of offer, not neccessarily a match, and the Sox declined. So he confirmed the Sox never made him an offer. I think its pretty hard to call a guy a hypocrite when the team apparently didn't want him. The White Sox are a complete and utter joke. So Jerry didn't get involved with this one. Hmmmm me thinks he's starting to smell the saved money.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) The 'proven closer' thing is a fallacy. The Rays prove it literally every year. Our bullpen last year had a ton of bad breaks and performed poorly, but that doesn't mean that all RPs will perform poorly just because they're trying to close. So my question is ... how many blown saves in a season is acceptable? Didn't Detroit go all year without a blown save? If we go through 2-3 closers, my estimation is we will blow up to nine saves. That means our team is going to suck again. Now if we write it off saying, 'We're rebuilding. It's OK if our closing situation sucks," fine. But "what if" several of our s***ty hitters (of last season) rebound as we are all hoping and the team has a decent offense?? Then the closing situation will cost the team dearly, if you assume Detroit (OR SOMEBODY) in the division could have a closer with 1-2 blown saves ALL SEASON. p.s. I just saw your Reed post. Are we to assume he will only blow 1-3 saves? Just asking.