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Oh, I didn't understand. I thought you wanted Garland gone. I agree he's been bad at times but my argument of keeping him and not dealing him was the fact there are not a lot of consistent 3-4-5 starters in the game today. I mean look at Mike Mussina's horses*** outing tonight. My god. There are a lot of mediocre pitchers out there, folks.

Kalapse ... my question to you is what pitchers nowadays are better No. 3 starters than Garland? Who can you get in baseball that is consistent besides the aces? I mean I know what you are saying, but what I am saying is Garland is as good a No. 3 or 4 as anybody you'll find. Garland is a damn fine pitcher in the "non-ace" category. How can you deny that? What pitchers would you prefer?

That's strange. Garland has had some dominant performances in his Sox career. Dominant. The problem I have with those who want to dump Garland is like many of you said ... who do you replace him with? I mean the Sox aren't going to find 5 Johans out there. Everybody has bad outings in modern day baseball. Garland has shown me plenty to say he's a good pitcher, not just a slightly above average pitcher. He's had some GREAT outings. How can you deny that??

Nice win tonight. This team is so weird. Two decent games in a row. Granted the foe is not so good, but the team looked good. Maybe Owens will be good. What a great catch in center and had 3 hits last night. Richar homered again. Maybe he's decent. Lotsa decisions for Kenny.

I wish he'd have thrown the high heat again, like the one pitch Gathright took, or buried a curveball. Gathright was on all those pitches Bobby threw, though. s***, he probably would have walked if Bobby would have done as I suggested. It really was a good at bat. Great feat, Bobby Jenks. It's a record that may be tied, but will never be broken.

Keep Garland. The Sox can't get rid of everybody if they hope to avoid fourth place again next year. Or last place. He's a good pitcher. If he keeps getting shelled they ought to consider shutting him down til the spring.

My gawd, you're right. Even backup catcher is a big time necessity. If KW can clean up this mess in one offseason I will be amazed and very happy. We're possibly the second worst team in the AL. How can he clean up this mess?

I also could care less about draft picks. Look who the Royals signed this year. Is there any guarantee a high school kid is going to hit in the bigs??? No way.

I know it's bad to over-react concerning young prospects, but my gawd Owens just swings through the ball so many times. Whiff. Ditto Richar who is starting to resemble Bee Bee Richard. The Sox have so many holes for next year as they get passed by the Royals in the standings. I don't know what KW is going to do. There's the potential for one of the worst teams in Sox history if the starting rotation starts to pitch the way Jon pitched today and Jose has pitched and Danks has pitched. A glass half full guy would see positive signs in Richar, Owens, Fields. A glass half empty guy would see bad defense in Fields and a lotta strikeouts in all our young hitters. Man I don't know about this team. But I am starting to think Owens can't hit.

The offseason always sucks but in this case it'll be nice to not hear KW, Oz and Jerry make dumb comments for a while. This season is wasted and is Ova. I feel for you who had season tickets. Hopefully the ballpark experience was still fun in this season of no offense.

How come people get so defensive about Thome? I said and many others said we like the guy. But you don't agree his best days appear long gone? He has the back back, I suspect it's been bad even when he's been playing. He's not putting up Thome-like numbers understandably on a team with many guys not putting up numbers. I like Thome but do you honestly believe he's going to bounce back next year and be a true power hitter for the Sox? The team will be weaker without him and I guess I wouldn't mind him returning, but I think it's fair to say he's declining. Maybe he'll have a career year next year, but there should be concerns.

Erstad, Pods, Richar, Uribe, Owens ... bad bad hitters right now. Thome, AJ, Dye, Paulie ... oh my. Bad seasons. KW has a mess to clean up this offseason as well as evaluating which players just had an off year and which are done. Erstad and Pods and Uribe obviously have got to go.

godforsaken team is a great way to put it.

Danks isn't exactly lighting it up, either. If the Southtown is right and we deal Garland, our staff might really suck next season.

But soxfan, don't you agree the signs are there that Thome is on the major decline? Bad back, he's not hitting any more home runs than Bonds for goshsakes. That shift has confounded him this year for sure as well.

I can't believe the Southtown is sold on Owens/Richar. C'mon, those guys may not be big leaguers.

I also like Thome but agree his time has come. The shift is tiresome. He never foils it and he's not whacking home runs. That plus his bad back makes him look like he's on the downside. Not that losing him will help this horrible team. The Sox offense is putrid and losing Thome won't help any. It's amazing all our sluggers are hitting about .260 with decreased homer production. Not good.

So the entire season our offense has sucked. Amazing. Good thing the ball was lively during our WS year. Good to see another rookie suck at the plate in Richar. My gawd, this is the season from hell. Now we are god awful again.

Man, Fields homered again tonight. That guy is blasting a lotta homers. Maybe it's time to move him to leftfield. If Crede comes back he plays third. Of course if Crede doesn't come back then we're hosed in my scenario. But Fields may be the real deal power wise. I don't know why a lot of you are convinced Richar is gonna be good. It's easy to find a serviceable second baseman like Durham and Richar isn't hitting yet. We need a second baseman to hit at least .270. Owens is still a hitting risk in the of. We definitely need to buy some ballplayers from other organizations if we hope to win next year. Fields looks like the real deal; verdict out on most other of our youngsters except maybe Danks. Danks has done decent hasn't he?

That's one of the best lines of this dismal season I think. Keep Dye. Don't you think next year the balls will be flying out of the parks again? After the home run dry spell they'll juice the balls again. I still wouldn't mind dealing Thome. The shift is bothersome and he is I fear on the decline cause of his back.

What are you talking about? I love Oz, just ask Fathom. I was simply making a point that getting shut out by meatball pitcher Weaver could have cost Oz and KW their jobs and deservedly so. But I am an Oz supporter. I want nobody else as Sox manager.

Today Oz and Walker are lucky that pathetic performance against Weaver didn't cost them their jobs. Man do the Sox suck on given days. What did Stoney say about this one??

What he's done is simply amazing. Hopefully his record will never be broken.

I agree with whitesoxfan. Fields will blast 35 or more homers next year. Aren't you all getting sick of all this losing the last year and a half? It sucks.

No .500 for this team. Veterans in the lineup continue to have sub par years for them especially. Even our reliable starters have a bad outing or two out of five. Rookies are doing OK, but not lighting it up by any means. Bullpen still is scary. I'd say we will finish between 10-15 below .500 probably closer to 15 below.