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What's most frustrating is the Sox for the first time in their history during this crash have no good players. Throughout history they've always had somebody elite. Now if 'somehow' you get an excellent one you have to trade him for 3-4 prospects. Even most years of Veeck's ownership the Sox had somebody worth paying to see. They even tried the year they had Ron Blomberg but he couldn't fill the shoes of somebody elite like Rich Zisk.

Scary that we'll be on the cusp of another presidential election by the time the Sox start to sniff .500. Time flies. In my next life I'm going to pick the Yankees or Dodgers to be my team not the worst franchise in all of sports.

I wouldn't mind welcoming him back considering second basemen are a dime a dozen and he was one of our top prospects. Give him his final shot with the woebegone Sox.

Ugh. I never wanna hear Austin Slater's name again. He's the definition of 'just another guy' that the White Sox are so in love with giving 400 at bats.

I dunno. Maybe an Indy could nab 25 wins then. I think a AA team could win 40 for sure. I hear you though.

True dat. ... You can only imagine my frustration that the Royals, located in a city way smaller than Chicago, and a market way smaller than Chicago, actually try to win. They made a trade this week that they think gives them a true leadoff man (we shall see) and some other guy. They have a surplus in pitching so they dealt Singer to the Reds, who similarly appear to be trying to improve their team. Meanwhile the Sox have the nerve to apparently have nothing in mind except signing some guys with the upside of a Pham and 'maybe' dealing Crochet and Robert for guys who won't help the team for 3-4 years. Sad. ... And the Sox in a hiding in the basement way of trying to do business won't even have a Soxfest where fans can vent? Hell in theory getting fans together in one setting 2-3 days 'might' sell some season tickets. What a paper bag organization. Keep losing, White Sox.

With revenue sharing the teams that are trying to win should be mad at the Sox and want them contracted. Cause the Sox's ineptness affected the race. The Sox for instance were solely responsible for the Royals being over .500 during the regular season. The Sox actually were key factors in some teams making the playoffs cause they beat up the Sox so badly. No question Chicago refused to field a big league team this season. That unit was bush league, independent league baseball.

This might sound dumb but how about signing Jose Abreu and Timmy Anderson to minor league, vet minimum deals?

I wish you or somebody could write an essay telling me exactly how the Sox make money. Awful TV ratings, tiny crowds, I'd assume very few jackets and hats and uniform tops sold. How in the bleep can this team make money? Does parking dollars matter that much to the bottom line? Shared TV money?

Lip you are a logical historian. Why doesn't the commissioner contract the Sox? You guys say we cannot and will not even try to win with Jerry in charge. This is against everything about pro sports. You can't knowingly rip off the fans. Contract this team, Mr. Commissioner or force Jerry to sell. This is egregious.

Uh oh. I'll just say no comment cause we aren't allowed to discuss politics.

Then if all this is true, the league should break up the White Sox and contract them. I mean there are examples of teams that also appear to have malfeasance with absolutely no desire to win (Bulls seem to be one of them) but if it's this blatantly obvious the Sox just don't want to win, why is the franchise in existence? At least all the teams in the Sox division besides the Sox have tried a tad to win and they all face the same limitations as the Sox. Your post says there's no hope til Jerry dies basically. This should not be allowed by MLB.

Thought provoking. However I dunno. The Sox may be so dumb and misguided they think No. 10 is a nice draft pick to tank for. It's outrageous what is going on in the Sox organization. Is this team really going to do nothing to improve before April 1? Insanity.

Sox aren't trying to win which should be against baseball's rules. Sox should be FINED A LOT of money for disrespecting the game of baseball. The team has no plan and is not trying to win. Reinsdorf should be so ashamed but he's not. Sad.

That's why 'tank' is a four-letter word.

I'd settle for 7 innings. Then you cut down so much on the dull parade of relievers and pitchers re-learn how to go seven. Starters W/L would be moderately interesting again and the role of the true closer might return as well as the set up guy. ... Here's how baseball dies. The defensive shifts continue. The pitchers only go through the lineup twice which means 4 innings max followed by a zillion relievers. I still think some teams will go with "openers" in the near future and just assume every game you'll need 7-9 pitchers. Dull.

So we non tendered Sheets? I'd think somebody will sign him for about 4-5 million. If I were him I'd want a one-year deal and see if a change of scenery (coaches) helps him reach his alleged potential. I'd take a flyer on him. He may or may not be done yet but considering his status as a second-round pick he may deserve one more shot with his second team. ... Not to sound like Mr. Royals but I betcha KC will be interested if they deem he has some talent. They still need some outfielders who can hit.

I'll stop responding now, but I'm surprised you don't at least throw him some flowers in your posts even tho you disagree with his stance on baseball. He's Goose Gossage.

Not sure why you are devaluing Goose Gossage. You don't think he and Forster could have been outstanding starters? Gossage played forever I think for 9 teams. He's one of the best pitchers in baseball history and started with our White Sox.

Tough crowd. He's in the Baseball Hall of Fame. He's not a failed anything.

ask ptatc or listen to Goose. It's a flowing motion. Not this rear back and fire a 105 mph heater then bust off a cutter in the dirt. Or do the eyetest. Look at Nolan Ryan's gorgeous smooth delivery. Or look at Buehrle. Or Fergie. Or Bob Gibson highlights. p.s. BTW for those who agree with the tank philosophy look at this clip of the good ol days when the Sox could compete. Now just pencil in another 100 losses. Sad. I typed in Buehrle pitching motion and got this gem. I hope he makes the Hall of Fame though obviously he won't.

By the way I know my Gossage love isn't unrequited on here but he makes some good points in that video about pitchers getting rid of the windup has led to injury. The windup is a comfortable motion. Maybe it takes a few mph off the fastball. So the tradeoff? Now pitchers can only go 5 or 6 max as they whizz their 101 mph fastballs. Old days they throw 95 in beautiful diferent types of windups that made the art of starting pitching fun. Baseball pitchers are no longer fun. They are 100 mph pitching machines. Sad. Please bring back the windup. Watch Gary Peters. Watch Bob Gibson. Watch Fergie Jenkins. Watch Nolan Ryan a gorgeous windup. Please. And explain to me why you think I'm wrong again.

I was just thinking if we're not going to compete, just pitch all our prospects one or two innings at a time. We'll still win 40 games. We proved last year you can win 40 and change just by showing up every day.

This board has been around so long I remember the days Dye and Avi Garcia both had serious detractors on here with me standing up for them a lot.

Are the Sox really going to trade Crochet? I assume whoever they get won't be ready for 2-3 years? I'm just wondering if we're only gonna win between 40 and 50 games again in 2025. I won't make any predictions until late January when it's obvious the roster is complete. Say what you want but taking Crochet out of the mix isn't exactly going to help the team in its pursuit of 50 wins. ... If the Sox are continuing the tank, I'd think they'd just want to have all openers who go two innings max followed by a parade of one-inning guys. If the goal is not to win why would they risk injury to any pitcher? Just have 'em all go 2 innings max and showcase their repertoire all season. Our staff isn't exactly going to be made up of proven guys. p.s. If they do want to trade Robert I would think they'd wait til the trade deadline to see if he gets good again. His value can't be too high after that mediocre season he had. 35 RBI and a .224 BA in the old days was Ken Berry-like (good field no hit) not Willie Mays-like.