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Oh boy, more games against the Twins. I can't believe baseball has this unbalanced schedule. it's really annoying and stupid to play the same teams so many times.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 13, 2014 -> 06:18 PM) f*** political correctness. It is the most damning religion in this country. It's stench first started in Europe and now they are starting to see the error of their ways. Most girls throw different than boys. Go watch a school mixed PE class. Yes, but some really fire the ball. Just watch a college softball game. Those infielders and outfielders can throw bullets. I think when girls start playing catch when they are young and/or get proper instruction, just like guys they look good in terms of throwing a ball.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 10:18 PM) If story is true and pics are legit, I can't see how the Vikings keep him. NFL should suspend him indefinitely. Well put Fathom. The pix of the cuts are so sad. If those pics are real, he should be suspended 5 years. QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) I was lucky enough to never get a switch, or belt, or spoon, or really any spanking that I can remember. The one thing my dad did do was pull my ear to make me go do something, and I f***ed hated him for that. I would get scabs under my earlobe from him pulling them. Once I got old enough to smack his arms away and yell at him to stop touching me, it never happened again. But that's nothing compared to a lot of people, I'm sure. Good for you telling him to cut that s*** out! Good for you. When I went to Brother Rice, the brothers could smack you around a bit. I never got hit but some buddies did. One time a lay teacher hit a kid in the ear and bloodied him a bit. I seriously forget what happened to the teacher. Not sure if he got in trouble or not. My dad was an alcoholic and screamed a ton but never hit me or my mom and my other sibs.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 13, 2014 -> 05:43 AM) They picked Harold Baines #1 overall in 1977. They also picked HS catcher Danny Goodwin #1 overall in 1971. Goodwin opted for college and was drafted #1 overall four years later by the Angels. He amounted to nothing. And you have aptly described why I do not care about the draft. Just give me wins.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 10:55 PM) And you want them to win a lot of games next season without signing any major free agents, thus relying on the prospects that you don't care about. That's an interesting line of thinking. There are ways to build a team that have nothing to do with where the team finishes the year before. Rooting for the Sox to finish as low as possible IMO is counterproductive.

Didn't want to start a whole new thread since this was not a life and death case of brutality like Ferguson, but this police brutality thing has to be discussed in America. Three cops tackle an 80 pound high school girl cause she won't give a teacher her cell phone. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us...phone.khou.html Here's how this incident should have been handled ... Teacher/principal: Give me your cell phone; you can pick it up in my office after this class is over. You were not supposed to be using it in class." Kid: "I will not give up my cell phone." Teacher/principal: "It's against the school rules to use a cell phone in class. As a result of your not complying, please give me your parents' phone number now and sit in my office until your parents get here." Then when parents get there, inform parents their darling has been suspended. I would think that would have diffused the situation without the cops getting involved. That said, if the cops needed to be called, the cops should have also talked to her and not brought her to the ground trying to get a frickin cell phone. The response was quite inappropriate for this situation IMO. It's not like the cell phone was a bomb. There was no danger. The kid could be suspended a week or month later after cooler heads prevailed. Those cops should be fired for taking the kid to the ground over such a petty thing.

It's worth hearing the mother's position on our government not exactly shining in the case of her son getting beheaded. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/us/james-fol....html?hpt=hp_t1

I read this week some Ferguson protestors, 30 or so, got arrested. They were going to stop traffic on I-70. That's a good way to get arrested. Protests are fine. But you can't have human road blocks on major highways. Geez.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 08:18 PM) He will be allowed to play again. Will anyone sign him will be the question. I guess the Vick thing showed anything is possible. I think it'd be very unwise for an owner/GM to employ Ray Rice. I say no team will be dumb enough to sign a person like Ray Rice.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 08:01 PM) Should anyone ever hire Ray Rice again for any job? Great question. I am kind of speechless trying to come up with an answer. QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 08:05 PM) Exactly. TMZ has some of the worst journalistic integrity out there. Praising that site for journalism just seems wrong. Yet the stories they wrote and broadcasted resulted in some of the biggest consequences in sports history, an owner getting fired and a league commissioner probably getting fired. I'm open to whatever you want to call it, but if the New York Times did that they'd win Pulitzers. I know nothing about journalism, I'm just saying as far as results, TMZ has a lot to brag about.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 07:59 PM) TMZ is not journalism. Yet can you deny TMZ "broke" two of the biggest stories in sports history? Sterling and the ultimate firing of Goodell? I mean, they wrote articles and published tapes which traditional journalism outlets do. So what do you call this?

So UConn wins it all last year after being unranked most of the year. Who is this year's surprise team? I'd say Kentucky wins it with Syracuse the sleeper.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 07:09 PM) Someone compared this to Watergate, come clean early and it all goes away. Snowball is rolling now and it could cost Roger about $800M in earnings from the NFL. This story is no longer about Ray Rice. Kudos to TMZ for getting the tape. Now TMZ has gotten an NBA owner to be replaced (that was their expose on Sterling), Ray Rice suspended and an NFL owner likely canned. WOW. That's pretty powerful "journalism" work. Unprecedented journalism work. Of course they probably paid for the tape which is journalistically unethical I believe. That said ... Ray Rice can never play football again. He knocked out a woman for gosh sakes. There are no excuses. How could any GM/owner sign off on acquiring Rice in the future? People make mistakes, sure, but you can't sign a person who knocks out a woman with a punch. You just can't. And all these people that are speaking out like the announcer of the Niners who got suspended two games. What are they thinking? That guy got a 2 game suspension for saying stupid things.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 08:51 AM) So you don't care about draft picks OR signing a top free agent this offseason? Because that's going to be what happens if the Sox end up falling out of the top 11 picks; they won't sign any top free agents. No James Shields, no Victor Martinez, no Russell Martin, no Nelson Cruz, No John Lester. Basically the Sox could sign Yasmani Tomas and maybe Edison Volquez or Justin Masterson. No, I really don't. My stance is I want my favorite team to win every game it plays and then at the end of the season see where the team fell and assess the future at that point. I really am not interested in the day to day "what if" draft game. I'd rather the Sox start beating Cleveland, Detroit and KC on a regular basis. As well as Minnie.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 08:40 PM) I think you are right. I also think it wouldn't be long before another team moved to Chicago in the AL. As badly as they have played the last couple of years, as much as attendance has dropped, they are still middle of the pack in revenue. The American League doesn't want to abandon this market. If the Sox moved tomorrow, is there anyone who doesn't thinkthe A's wouldn't mind taking their place in Chicago? In fact, back when Bill Veeck saved the Sox, the rumor was Finley would have moved the A's back then. I don't think the current Sox owners or future Sox owners would ever move. I'm just saying if they used the old threats about "we'll move if you don't build us a new stadium," to the state, the state would say, "Go ahead and move," this time. So I don't think the team would ever go there. The beloved Cubs (sarcasm) will remain in town forever and the state would play its cards and say, "We've still got the Cubs." Sox won't win any future scaredown over stadium issues cause of the horrific economy.

Those are great paragraphs. 1.) That season described the Sox post 2005 in a nutshell. A disaster (except for the emergence of Abreu and Sale). 2.) That's hilarious stuff. Dunn's wife comes up with a great one. 3.) He's a great guy, sure. And he got paid a ton of money, so good for him. I'm just relieved he's gone. He was a nightmare IMO in terms of production on the South Side.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 07:47 PM) Unless the White Sox get sold to someone who is willing to basically finance their own stadium, I doubt the state of IL is going to be in a position to foot the bill on another and give a team making millions another sweetheart lease anytime soon. So while we can dream where to build a new one, the chances of it happening in the next 25 years is probably really slim. No owner is going to build his own new stadium. And the state is not ever going to finance a new stadium again. So the Cell will remain forever with upgrades possible. And, yes, think of all that money they'll continue to make on parking for years to come. They'll never, ever risk losing that money. If the Sox ever threaten to move again I think the state would let them move.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 02:41 AM) And we are pretty much losing a game on everyone again. We are the only s***ty team winning this week. Ugh. I'll be REAL REAL upset, and you all should too, if the Sox don't end up with a top 11 pick. We won't be able to use all that money we have on FA without losing our 1st RD draft pick, and that could be a huge blow to rebuilding our system. Please don't say I should be upset about a draft pick. I am upset when Sox lose, not over some unknown draft pick for gosh sakes. You root for what you want, but please don't tell me to feel upset about something I consider a crapshoot.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 04:32 AM) Royals have forgotten how to play defense (except last night) over the last week. Hosmer with 10 errors and missing quite a bit of the season, when he won the GG? Moustakas and Escobar are also players who are close to Gold Glove caliber. Can't give teams like the Red Sox, even without Pedroia, 2 runs when your offense is struggling to score. Should be interesting. This Butler thing can't be good for in-team morale. He needs to play. It's not like he is putting up totally anemic numbers. Not great, but he was hot during their hot streak. Something tells me KC fans are going to be disappointed. They'll lose the division to Detroit by a game or two and lose the wildcard by a game or two. Cleveland isn't out of it yet, either. Can't see Ned coming back if KC doesn't win the division. It'll be another rebuilding year next year without Shields and Butler. Guthrie and Vargas can go south at any time. Poor KC.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 12, 2014 -> 02:59 AM) We'll probably end up with Raul Ibanez or Carlos Pena. Yikes. Somebody will probably give Butler 10 million a year which would be crazy. It is interesting though. If it's 7 mill a year, three years; 21 mill total, would the Sox take the risk at DH? You'd have a heart of the order lineup of Eaton, Lexi, A. Garcia, Abreu and Butler as your first five hitters in the order. There are probably worse five-somes in baseball for sure.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 05:58 AM) Shields really needs to earn him "Big Game" moniker tomorrow against Porcello to stop the bleeding. He definitely showed up against the Yankees in his last start. Yeah. I laughed at the many talk shows out here saying Shields doesn't deserve to pitch the "big games" that may await the Royals still the rest of the season/postseason. They want Duffy (before injury) and Vargas. How stupid. After the Tigers game I'm sure the fans are back heavy on the Shields is god bandwagon, however. It's interesting how Butler has been benched of late. It's obvious he'll be on another team next year. Would the Sox want him as another base-clogger for 7 million a year, three years? Granted he may be finished. It'd be a risk but you could probably get him cheap. He's definitely a bounceback candidate with a new organization, unless like I said, he may be finished at a relatively young baseball age. Sox do not have a DH candidate right now with any pop. Of course Butler is more a doubles guy as he's never elevated consistently.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 11:57 PM) What do you think? I think the Sox owe it to him. He has been pure class during his tenure with the Sox. Liked by everybody, and just a great guy. Reminds me of Thome. I hope Jerry gives him a job in the future, if he wants one. Only in sports can you say the Sox "owe" Adam Dunn something more than the zillion dollars the team has already paid him. I know you are probably kidding, but I took the bait. Dunn has made so much money he'd be crazy to want any job with the White Sox, anyway. Why should he work any more? If he gets bored he could do stuff for charity or something like that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 04:04 PM) How can they NOT? It's a business. They can be pretty profitable again with a $65-75 million payroll and finish 5-10 games under .500, or they can start going for it again like they did in 2011 with the Dunn acquisition. If they don't, the White Sox are in danger of becoming completely irrelevant to all but a smattering of dwindling die-hards. Other than Sale and Abreu, there's just no reason for anyone in the national media to follow this team or manager. I would be perfectly happy to go up to $90 million over 4 years for Shields. That still might not get it done. He might get $100+ now. I'd at least try. If you put our payroll somewhere in the mid 50's (with Flowers, Nate Jones, Viciedo probably)....then that bumps it up to the high 70's. We started this year around $91 million. That would leave money for one "second tier hitter" for DH (like an Adam Lind) and we'd have to be incredibly strategic and prescient about which reliever/s we brought in for another $5-7.5 million...in that Downs/Belisario second tier again. Maybe hoping for a bounceback from Jim Johnson, not sure....Frieri, someone who still has the stuff but mentally struggling. This is your best post in recent memory IMO. Sox must be relevant again. It's like they have become really really irrelevant. Like you said, this is a business more than a sport and Sox stock is down with the exception of Sale, Abreu and maybe A. Garcia.

QUOTE (MEANS @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) It's just that lately you seem to make a new thread everyday screaming about how bad our country is, and it's quite tiresome. You over re-act to almost everything in the news today and when somebody tries to have an intelligent informing conversation with you, it always falls on your deaf ears. My bad. But this stuff is on the front page of cnn It's not like I find it on obscurenews.com

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 04:36 AM) 1) No 2) For someone that talks about the good ol' days a lot, there sure were a lot of fights in your schools. Shameful. 3) People have more common sense than to fight about Sox vs. Cubs in school or, you know, anywhere. Otherwise we get cases like the now crippled Giants fan who was assaulted at a Dodgers game. 4) When both teams are crap, the arguments tended to swing more towards "Well, we're less awful than you." 1.) No? Please expound. 2.) South side of Chicago? In Mt. Greenwood? Of course there were fights. All the time. And if you got bloodied parents didn't go crying to the other person's parents. 3.) Little kids can't do that kind of damage one-on-one. Generally speaking anyway. Once somebody gets in a punch that hurts the fight ends pretty quickly. 4.) I guess.