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Interesting article. Obama and the pigheads in Congress should be embarrassed they have been in charge during a horrific six year period in which just about every aspect of life in the United States of America has gone downhill FAST. It's very embarrassing for Obama, who seems to have washed his hands of it all. He basically has blamed the pigheads in Congress and is just playing out the string so to speak. Very sad. But King Obama, the man we'd elect again and again if we could, has been President during one of the darkest periods in U.S. history. The decline of a great great nation is sad to experience.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 06:00 PM) I would rather have Phegley, Nieto, or Smith then Buck or Flowers Me too, though it is nice to see our catcher throw guys out on the basepaths. Phegley can't throw anybody out, right?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 06:33 PM) We get it, you hate Dunn. But as has been discussed elsewhere, there will be teams looking for a guy like Dunn.. Otherwise, as of right now there really isn't a replacement for Viciedo unless they throw Sierra out there everyday. Then who do they bring up? Regardless, I wouldn't mind seeing Dunn, Beckham, and Viciedo all dealt provided they can get back something decent for the future. I hope you are right about Dunn. Obviously I don't see it, but if Hahn can get a couple good pitchers from AA for him it would be the steal of the century. I'd be willing to bet some money no team in baseball wants him. If he wants to continue his career next year, he's going to be shocked at the $$s. I'd say he gets Jeff Francouer type money when the Royals had Francouer.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) If this was indeed premeditated, the parents knew exactly what the child was experiencing hour by hour that day. That level of depravity is beyond my comprehension. Awful. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) Reading about this almost makes me physically ill. Horrific. Me too. QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) If this guy did it, I hope they have more evidence on him than Google searches. If so, he deserves a special kind of hell and everything the system can throw at him, but as damningly circumstantial as that is, I'd be uncomfortable finding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt based on only that. I would convict him in a second. The expert said the smell of death was so bad in the car when he was driving away there's no f***ing way he didn't know his son was in the car and at that point he was still pretending. This dad is an animal and I'd convict him on the google searches. At the very least, he better rot in prison at least the next 20 years on some charge, the quality years of his life better be spent in jail.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) Who is the replacement for Viciedo? Danks until A. Garcia is ready, which could be soon. The team is going nowhere, so that's a viable replacement until Garcia is ready. Sox don't need Viciedo. Now is the time to dump him.

I would rather have Flowers than Buck. By far. Acquiring Buck would be a horrific move as he's one of the worst hitters in baseball IMO.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) Quintana is the only trade legitimate trade chip that will bring back a significant amount of talent that can help in the near term. The Sox have consistently struggled to attract top tier talent in free agency, so if this team is going to improve it is going to need to be through the trade market. A deal with the Jays with Beckham for Sanchez, Norris and Pompey would be something to consider. Based on his age, contract status, and performance, he should have as much value as Smardzjia did in a deal. Your last sentence is just crazy IMO. Beckham is average at best. How can you overvalue Beckham like that? Just cause he was a top draft pick doesn't mean anybody values him. I can't imagine him bring much more than a Chris Getz type player cause he is a Chris Getz type player. OK he's a little better than Getz. This trade deadline, the Sox should dump Beckham, Viciedo and that's it (I'm assuming nobody will trade for Dunn). Get what you can for them. Why? Cause there are replacements for both.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 04:12 AM) You think the Sox would have had enough mediocre teams in the past that this wouldn't be rocket science...Seriously, do you watch baseball? Have you seen mediocre teams? Have you seen bad offenses get shut down by bad pitchers? Have you seen good offenses get shut down by bad pitchers? It's baseball man, today was 1/162. It's not that simple with this team.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 02:20 AM) Christianity in America is predominantly nonviolent. Yes, you can point to some wackos, but 99.9% are not. Religion promoting violence is an irrelevant argument here. And the benefit is not so much the belief in Christ, but a sense of group and community. You know your neighbors. You care about your neighbors. You grow up with the kids in the neighborhood. All positive things that are missing from the gang infested ghettos. You continue to state what I believe beautifully. Maybe I'm a bad writer, but you have captured the essence of what I believe.

Whenever I hear about teams like the Sox losing money, I wonder about those articles that list the worth of the franchise and what it would cost if the Sox were for sale. It makes no sense that a team could lose money every year and be worth that kind of jack. I mean, I don't know the latest figure, but the Sox are allegedly, according to Forbes Mag, worth a fortune.

How in the world are Carroll and Hector capable of this? These type of games, and Viciedo's performance on this road trip are times you think the Sox actually have a good managerial and coaching staff. WTF is with this team? Is it a good team or horses***? It never can completely make up its mind. You remember the pathetic sweep at Minnie, pathetic sweep at home against KC and performance vs. the Angels.

Man, Viciedo and Dunn are hot. And they've been doing it against good teams that may want trade pieces. If ever they are tradeable, now is the time. Or is this the real Viciedo? If the past four games are the real Viciedo, he is Mini-Abreu. He has teased before. This is when you have to trust your scouts I guess. p.s. I haven't changed my position on Dunn. I still am of the opinion Sox get very very little in return if anything.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 02:26 AM) If Samardjiza and impeding contract situation can get the Cubs a top 10 prospect in baseball at a premium position, I think Hahn has to at least be curious about what Q could fetch with his team friendly contract. If Hahn was shopping Q then he'd certainly have been talking to the A's, right? I suspect we've seen the last of Beckham soon cause Semien can replace him. Shortstop will be more difficult. I have a sneaky feeling Jerry does not want any more 99-loss teams. At least with Becks there are replacements.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 09:31 PM) I think his argument is that if the s***ty neighborhoods in Chicago that account for 95% (guesstimate) of the violent crime had some sort of culture or community of good, e.g. a church community, maybe the violence wouldn't be as bad as it is. I somewhat agree with him. The idea being that these neighborhoods are just lawless places with morally bankrupt people. Religion specifically isn't the answer, but some kind of community of people with some morals sure would help. I remember a CPD buddy of mine telling me that in these neighborhoods the kids know nothing of the real world. It's all about the street. They have no morals or ethics. They have nothing to live for. They're all certain they'll be dead before they are 25. And they live that way. He had one kid tell him once that he'd kill all the cops in Chicago if he could get away with it, but he knew he couldn't, so he doesn't try. How f***ed up do you have to be to TELL someone that? Thank you sir!! Somebody understands greg besides my momma.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 08:18 PM) What is the obsession with ignoring 90% of every player's performance? Judge Dunn on what he's done at the plate, not one component. Dunn = .224/.365/.423 (119 wRC+) Does no team need a left-handed DH/emergency 1B that hits 19% better than league average? Idk, but that should be the question or argument, not "Dunn only has 12 homers." I realize Adam Dunn can draw a walk. I could say his lack of speed negates much when he does walk, but that would be controversial I'm sure. He's a power hitter who doesn't hit many home runs, that's my main comment. You guys with the advanced stats ... I love 'em (I realize Dunn draws walks) but I will repeat my mantra: How come when I watch a baseball game I sometimes see OBP included in the graphic but never, ever do the announcers comment on such stats?? The announcers tend to make more greg-like statements than using your guys' advanced numbers. Sometimes you act like I am in the 1 percent group when I'm not.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 08:11 PM) I'd imagine the people of northern Nigeria wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. How can anybody dispute the Golden Rule being a bad thing?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 08:02 PM) Yes. Now let me ask you a simple question...what does religion have to do with that? I just stated AGAIN that it is a matter of negative s*** being the norm and cool and being accepted and anything positive like religion merely mocked. The basic tenets of religion - the Golden Rule - are ASSETS to society. Yet any mention of religion is scoffed at, mocked. Any mention of violence? Bring it on. Fine? People want violence and want to mock religion? Go for it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 07:56 PM) You complain about anything positive being "mocked" and then scoff at a 50% decrease in the murder rate. Most would consider that positive. You complain about our culture "now" being violent and negative and ignore the fact that the violence situation was vastly worse 20 years ago. A basic bit of thought would suggest that either your idea is wrong or that somehow we've become vastly less violent as a people in the last 20 years. You've got the stats. You are armed with them. Let me ask you a simple question: Does Chicago have a serious, severe problem with violence in neighborhoods right now?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 07:49 PM) Chicago's murder rate is still less than 1/2 of what it was in the early 90's. 20 years ago there were >900 murders per year in Chicago. Now there are around 450-500. This has been pointed out to you before. You are not horrified by last weekend? You are not horrified by a woman being killed sitting on her porch? I prefer not to talk about numbers and stats after a weekend like that. I am purely horrified. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 07:50 PM) So the reason that poor African-American neighborhoods have seen an influx of violence is because the kids sit around and watch violent movies all day and because there are zero churches or religious figures in those neighborhoods. Gotcha. I'm saying our entire culture is now negative and violent. Anything positive is mocked. Nothing is as cut and dried as you just state. But I expect a response like that after a post about religion. I get it!! Religious people are a joke. Religious people are mocked. I get it. I'm used to it. Don't need to remind me. I want SOLUTIONS to all this violence. Anybody who is not appalled by last weekend in Chicago baffles me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 08:44 PM) Religious people aren't violent. My point is everything that is inherently bad is embraced in our modern world. Everything that is good is mocked. The results? Chicago is not a safe place any more.

This is getting ridiculous. A woman can't even walk on her porch in the once great city of Chicago without having to LEAVE THIS WORLD after getting killed. The American dream is going going, close to being GONE. WTF is going on, Chicago??? Get your act together. All these killings in one weekend? What the f***???? You guys will jump me for this, but this is all about society. We can have violent movie after violent movie that shows murder, torture, and everything is cool. Hey ,there's nothing wrong with art, freedom of expression. Boom, let's watch some good ol fashioned killing. The more the merrier in the movies. But somebody talks about God or religion and the world jumps down their throats. How dare you talk about God. He doesn't exist. He's the same as the invisible boogeyman. There is no God. Quit shoving him down our throats! How dare you talk about gun control and keeping guns off the streets!! We need those guns!!! Everything is out of whack and God help us all. I mean that poor woman is living her life and at 66 is on her porch and boom, she's dead. Why? No reason. Somebody had a gun and was shooting it. Nobody cares, so why should I? Sickening. http://gawker.com/horror-in-chicago-as-82-...h-of-1601170588

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 07:22 PM) Because he's still young and there have been some encouraging signs from him this season. Odds are, you're right, he is a bust of sorts and he won't ever turn into a very productive player, basically turning into the Cuban Delmon Young. He still has quick hands and a powerful stroke, and guys like that can turn it around in a New York minute,so you could see the Encarnacion/Beltre/Bautista/Davis outbreak where Viciedo becomes a very good hitter, but I don't see it happening. Right now, his value is incredibly low due to his lack of production to this point with his impending arbitration (and subsequent pay raise with less team control as well). On top of that, the Sox don't have someone beating down the door needing to play - they would be replacing him with Jordan Danks, Moises Sierra, or Michael Taylor. Thus, you play him and see if something clicks and he turns himself into a good player. If between the remainder of this season and next you can pretty safely tell he's not going to figure it out, you can begin to look at some change of scenery guys. Bottom line, I don't see any reason to deal him unless a team is willing to overpay, and why would a team in contention be willing to overpay for an underproducing player? Good post. Makes total sense. I was just assuming the M's had interest in him and might overpay after his good series vs. them.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Concealed carry probably saved some lives in Chicago: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/b...0,5324984.story Also Greg/others, 60 people shot in the city over the weekend. 7 killed. Where's Nancy Grace and the faux outrage? edit: Let's update that. 14 killed, 82 shot. http://gawker.com/horror-in-chicago-as-82-...h-of-1601170588 Chicago is a fricking mess with the shootings/murders. People should be demanding action. This is bulls***. Is this city most dangerous in the civilized world now?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) No, it was a dumb comment. To say any team that takes Dunn will no longer be a contender is ridiculous. If a contending team trades for Dunn, they will most likely be acquiring him to use him in certain situations. He can still hit the ball very far, especially against right handed pitching, and his OBP is pretty high. The guy has 12 home runs; Paulie has five. Guess what? Paulie would have 12 home runs if he had as many plate appearances as Dunn. I stand by my comment. Dunn is done. Any contender that acquires him has made a huge mistake IMO. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 04:15 PM) Dunn's contract expires at the end of the year and the Sox are clearly not going anywhere this year, so even though I am satisfied with his performance this year, I don't consider him a useful asset. Now, if guys like Beckham and Ramirez are traded off for little or no return, then I will be pissed. Geez, you are satisfied with Dunn's performance? Why? 12 home runs? If Hahn can get anybody useful for Dunn, bless Hahn. I can't imagine a contender wanting to mess with him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 01:38 AM) The way I look at the situation is like this. Unless you can get some actual value for Viciedo right now, we're better off giving a full season and using him as an insurance policy in LF/DH heading into the offseason. If Hahn is somehow able to upgrade both positions, then dump Viciedo for whatever you can, as someone will absorb his $5M salary. Otherwise, you at least have a young, high potential hitter with multiple years of team control to roll the dice on. Again, we need to look at the bigger picture here. We have multiple needs to fill where we don't have internal options. To realistically think we can acquire a starting catcher, a #2/#3 caliber RH starter, a left-handed power bat, and several RP in just one offseason is already quite ambitious. I don't see a reason to create another hole right now unless value is there. How much do we have to see of Viciedo to realize he's a bust? I'd trade him now following a good series. Trade him to the M's. They had to be impressed at the 4-hit game. Get a catcher with promise and a pitcher with decent upside and that's good enough.