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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:46 AM) I'll admit I liked what I saw out of him before, but the fact that Detroit willingly moved him to us frightens me a bit...the fact that Hahn made this crazy trade makes me feel good about him as a GM though...Kenny would have traded for Middlebrooks last week. I wouldn't worry about Detroit willingly moving him being a problem. Detroit needs a shortstop right? Detroit has Miggy and Fielder for gosh sakes and will always be a big-time factor in free agency. Obviously they don't think he's going to be a star but at this point it's looking like a good gamble by the Sox. Peavy is a great competitor but always an injury risk and Sox owed him a lot of $$. At least we get 3 low level prospects to go with Garcia. It coulda been 3 lower level prospects for peavy with Boston agreeing to pay the contract. I consider getting Garcia a surprising bonus. I thought Jerry just wanted to make sure to get rid of Peavy's contract, not caring much about getting a big-league ready player.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:41 AM) Thrilled with Garcia. Guy has a great hit tool and that is something the Sox are severely lacking. Plus he's got solid speed and solid defensive skills. I think the power will come and he's been raking in AAA. Really really pleased with him being the top guy (I liked him more then a lot of the other offensive names thrown around as the top guy in a package). Interested in seeing who the other 3 guys coming are. My assumption is we will get a few pretty high-upside raw guys and I'm very exstatic about that. Boston has a great farm system and some really nice young players who the Sox could grab (and hopefully develop). If we are getting s*** back, then my opinion might change, however, I really like Garcia. I almost crapped myself when I first read Garcia and MIddlebrooks...that would have been incredible. Just the fact he's raking in AAA makes me happy. He's actually a prospect with a chance. Kind of like Dayan when he was a prospect - a guy we all felt deep down had a chance to be special. It's not too late for Dayan obviously. But this is not like bringing up some clown; Garcia at least has credentials and at 22 is ready for the bigs which is very nice.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:37 AM) This is a really good outcome for us. Maybe not the names some wanted but a very good return for an expensive player who won't help us materially in the future. Prospects are icing on the cake We have no idea how Garcia is going to turn out. As of today, considering his AAA performance and the fact the Tigers wanted him to be the starter, it's a good return for Peavy. Let's hope the Sox luck changes under Hahn and this guy is a star for the next 12 years. On paper I'd give the Sox a B for this trade or A-. If all that Peavy money is off the books, I'd think Hahn would already be in Jerry's great graces.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:34 AM) Because they wanted the younger, cheaper player with potential? Oh. I know nothing much about the player they got at ss. I was just reading everybody's posts how he's nothing special.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:34 AM) I can't listen to Hawk bulls*** me about this kid for the next 4 years. Please retire. Yes, but once we get rid of Rios, he'll be the everyday rightfielder. I hope the Sox don't do something stupid like say he needs more minor league instruction. I'd prefer seeing him start in rf the rest of the year once we dump Rios.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:32 AM) I'm very excited to see Garcia play and I don't think anyone here can feel any different, whether they think he'll turn out or not I'm surprised Detroit messed with Boston and didn't just trade us Garcia for Alexei.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:28 AM) Heyman says Sox get three more low level prospects from Boston. So 4 players, including one guy who was one of Detroit's top prospects (ready to play now at the age of 22) who stands 6-foot-4 and weighs 240 and don't have to pay any more of Peavy's contract? Wow. This is a good trade, folks. Is it confirmed Boston will pay the whole Peavy contract?

I don't mind this. Garcia is 6-fricking foot 4 and 240 pounds. The Tigers wanted to play him every day this year. He's the definition of a prospect. This is a gamble I don't mind. It's going to be good to see a big strong guy in the lineup.

I knew it was Boston. They're going to pay his whole salary, aren't they?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 02:45 AM) Who cares about whether Rienzo gets a win. I can't believe baseball players actually think about that stuff anymore Ugh. I normally like your posts but where did that one come from? I mean winning a big league debut is huge for a person I'd think. It's their dream to make it to the bigs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:00 AM) Hawk was talking about how important the Indians bench has been. That's something that Hahn deserves criticism for. The bench was pathetic coming into the season with Wise/Sanchez/Jimenez. Angel Sanchez should have never been in consideration for the big league club. Gillaspie was the only positive contributor off the bench this season. Great points. Our bench on paper was so, so weak. Our team looked like a pennant contender on paper. Though we all were way too excited about adding Keppinger. Since he had a history of drawing some walks, it got the Sox fans excited we actually might have a guy who values getting on base. Of course it doesn't help when Robin lets guys swing 3-0 which IMO is dumb. Not calling for Robin's head, I love the guy, just making an observation. QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:02 AM) Alright with the Francona obsession already.... Geess The guy is manager of the year this year and we had a shot at him. Why can't I belabor that fact??

Lindstrom, by the way, looks like Little League pitcher of late. Two straight outings of throwing meat. He is not so good IMO.

LOL at the Sox blowing another game. I love Robin but our manager shoulda been the guy who is in the Indians' dugout. You get a chance to hire a Francona like we had, you can't let it pass by. Worse team in baseball except for maybe one team ... the Chicago White Sox.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:24 PM) You wonder if the back was bothering him a while prior to the injury and if that was impacting his numbers? No idea..he's old so he might just be done but If I were a contender i'd try to get Paulie. If I were the Sox, I wouldn't care what I got back, the point would be to do whatever made Paulie happy (imo). Exactly! Excellent points IMO.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:17 PM) It's going back a ways but it'd be like the White Sox getting Ted Kluzewski in 1959. He was an old vet and that worked out well for the Sox. Amen Big Ed. An example is what I needed. There is one. There are more.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:13 PM) PK is a lot worse than Adam Dunn right now. Dunn has 25 homers. Konerko is hitting under .240 with 7 homers. Stop trolling people. I just have good vibes about Paul in Texas. Just because he's sucking with us doesn't mean he can't revitalize. This is like Berkman getting picked up that one year. You guys may think I'm crazy. Paulie to Texas makes very much sense. The man MAY NOT be finished. We'll never find out unless he's dealt to a contender. Can he rev it up and get hot and help Texas win its elusive WS with AJP? Texas should ship us 2 guys and try it.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:10 PM) We wouldn't get anything of use back for Paulie. Why not? It's not like he's got an Adam Dunn batting average. He still gets hits. He is one of those trade deadline signees that MIGHT help a team win it all.

Great trade for Paulie, the Rangers and Sox. He gets reunited with AJP, we get 2-3 prospects. Two of our great winners of all time helping Texas win the WS. Makes perfect sense for Texas. Get it done, Hahn. Paulie can still make contact, he just is not hitting HRs. Is it technical or old age? Trade him and find out. Paulie deserves a shot at another WS. He'd be a hero forever in Texas if he pulls it off for them w/AJP.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:02 PM) No real idea, never followed the subsequent case. Im honestly not a big fan of civil suits that are basically pseudo criminal cases. Preponderance of the evidence is a stupid standard when it comes to whether or not someone committed a murder. In short free OJ. Or dont free him, I dont really know or care. But I think that someones personal memorabilia should not be able to be turned over in a citation proceeding. In theory, does society ever do the "gotcha now?" Nail the person the second time around even when the second case is pretty petty?

Question for Badger and whomever: Do you think OJ is rotting in a Vegas area jail cell because we (society, jurors out there, etc) know he committed murder and we're making him pay via his second crime? Seriously ... did he do something bad enough to get this long sentence? All he did was go in a hotel room with some other guys and threaten some guys who took his stuff. I believe there was a gun in the room, but if I'm not mistaken, not even that has been proven as fact. OJ didn't even hit any of the guys with his fists. I believe he went to the hotel room drunk after a wedding and was bossing people around, but nothing happened. I don't even think the incident was that long to where it terrified any of the victims. I'm sure there are zillions of weekend crimes in Vegas involving this type of bullying or whatever you want to call it. I was appalled by OJ's speech to the parole board. It was all about how great he has been in prison and it was patting himself on the back type s***. But is this a case of our country saying, "Ha Ha, OJ. You killed 2 people and we all know it and you are rotting because of that with this trumped-up case involving your memorabelia?"

What's the update chili? Are u dating happily ever after?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:40 PM) Of course we don't know what the asking price really was. If it was a Garz package, this isn't good. If it was 2 elite prospects, they could be coming down to something both can work with. I may be a cynic, but my guess is the "asking price" isn't about talent as much as $. The more a team will pay, the lesser the 2 prospects they have to give the Sox? Full disclosure. ... didn't a lot of you on here say money wouldn't be a factor w/Peavy and teams would be getting a bargain and would pay the entire remainder of his contract?

How much money are the Sox willing to pay on Peavy/Rios? 1/3 of their remaining deals? Anybody know?

The Peavy thing has come too far to fall apart now. Not starting him tonight and all that. It'd be embarrassing for Hahn to keep Peavy now. It'd be like he couldn't get a deal done. The tricky part is the money. I bet Jerry has told him exactly how much of the salary of Peavy/Rios he's allowed to pay.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 PM) I believe the waiver wire might bring better results for the sox. We obtained Rios to block the tigers nut I don't think we have anything that other teams are valuing our players enough to make a deal happen . If that's true then the Tigers were very very smart. Addition by subtraction scaring us into taking Alex Rios.