JoeC

Emphasis mine.

Given what’s come out about the clubhouse, I’d be very weary of signing anyone who wants to sign with the Sox.

Point taken.

Moncada's contract should become far less relevant as we get closer to the deadline, no?

Finally listened to the episode. Pretty much the same things we've been griping about on the board for awhile... but from a more knowledgeable source.

Robert had 36 doubles to go with his 38 homers, plus 20 steals. I'd hardly call him "all or nothing," though I'd prefer if he improved his 5% walk rate.

Exactly. There's only so much you can fill the air with objectivity without beating the s%*# out of your employer if they objectively suck in every way, shape, and form. Benetti's a damn good announcer, and the Tigers are lucky to have him.

There is precedence.

Silver lining to a s%*# season. Congrats, Luis!

only 80 losses?

Maybe the "career changing" move is to be able to work for a team that's willing to accommodate his national ambitions. Detroit has basically been a s%*# show in the booth since 2018 when Mario Impemba and Rod Allen got into it

I wouldn't characterize Detroit as a "poverty" franchise. The Ilitch family will spend money when it makes sense, and they've shown an ability to hire good people and get out of their way.

Maybe one day we’ll have an owner who realizes that analytics guys and scouts, if properly chosen, basically give you a built-in ticket sales department….

I remember this one.... and I remember the body language on this. Guessing this is the AB that ultimately got him released.

I don't remember either of those (before my lifetime), but I'm guessing the 1959-1960 Indians offseason, coming off of an 89-win campaign in 1959, had different objectives than the 2023-2024 White Sox offseason, coming off of a 101-loss season. Point is - your comparisons here are 100% irrelevant, because the teams are not in the same phase of contention. If someone were suggesting to trade Robert, Jose, Cease, etc., going into the 2021 or 2022 season, I would acknowledge your comparison. But right now you're not even comparing apples to oranges.

Yep. That's what you're trading for when you trade for top-100 and top-15 prospects.

Yep - I'm saying that the reason to hold onto Robert is if nobody is offering a fair market value. If you're just treating him as "untouchable" because he's Robert, that's just asinine.

To pull something out of my ass, I'd say a top-15 prospect, two other top-100 prospects, and a "flier" prospect. No idea what's realistic at this point.

My main point is that if the price is right, you trade anyone on this team. For this team, holding onto someone like Robert just because he's a stud is short-sighted and dumb. To me, it makes so much more baseball sense to trade him if you were able to get an appropriate prospect haul for him.

That's nice. What's going to happen in those 4 years? I'm speaking both of this team (hopeless at least through 2026 IMO, so for 3 of 4 years) and Robert's health. Of course - if the return isn't worth it, then you hold onto him.

What good is holding onto Robert when there are literally no supporting pieces around him? Are we aspiring to be a 70-win team in 2024 or something?

Having someone with the explicit title of "Major League Coach" makes me wonder about the bona fides of the other coaches.

Yeah, but you have to admit that it'd be such a White Sox thing to do.

Thought this thread title was verb as a suggestion for the 2024 season.