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The Sox need talent up and down the lineup. If Holliday ended up at 2B, I wouldn’t be that upset considering Hahn and now Getz have failed to fill that position (along with RF) for years.

Jake McCarthy would have been a better return.

Offer Crochet for Holliday and see if the Orioles bite. Just make sure to keep young Jackson away from the Cuban music scene. It wasn’t long COVID. Those music video vixens sapped all of Moncada’s power.

I’m in the western suburbs as well and I didn’t even have to scan for them on my TV. I was able to see them on 62.2 and 62.3 and with a good signal (no choppiness). Try to go to these channels manually by punching in the numbers on your remote. If you can hear the audio but have no display (black screen), you may have the same issue as I have with a couple slightly older TV’s that support MPEG-2 but not the H.264 video codec they are using.

I think it’s funny that likely some of the same posters who have high hopes for guys like Montgomery (22), Ramos (22), and even Vargas (24) to a lesser extent think that 20-year old Holliday is a bust because of 208 MLB plate appearances. The sad thing is that the Orioles wouldn’t accept this potential trade and if Crochet is traded, Getz’s return will be much weaker than Holliday.

Unless Jerry throws some cash Crochet’s way, we will all enjoy watching him lead the Sox to two more losing seasons. Sounds exciting.

I wonder if there is still some corruption in play? Maybe not to the level of Dave Wilder but for as few of these DR prospects pan out, it seems like it would be easy to continue the corrupt practices.

But the point is that Mena did have trade value and could have been used to acquire someone other than a fourth outfielder.

A 4th rounder isn’t an awful return, but yeah, it should have been better (2nd or 3rd rounder). But the Steelers will have to throw big money at him in the offseason.

True, and that’s a good counterpoint. However, Vargas wasn’t quite doing it at ages 18 to 20 and was also in the offense-inflated PCL when he was doing it.

Every season of his minor league career from ages 18 through 20 in 2022, 2023, and 2024, he has put up a .900+ OPS. His career minor league OPS is .928. Yes, it is the minors, but perhaps he continues that on to the majors once he gets acclimated.

Mena is the #12 prospect for the Diamondbacks but it’s still more of a reflection on Fletcher than Mena. However, would you trade Bryan Ramos for Fletcher? Ramos is currently the White Sox #12 prospect. Getz acquired a bad fourth outfielder. Those guys are almost free all day long. You should be able to develop and call up that type of role. Trading anything of value for that role is terrible. We now have a 27-year old scrub that hits like Nicky Lopez taking up a roster spot to go along with Vargas who can’t play a position OR hit. Two bad players who will likely be on the roster the majority of next season just because Getz traded for them. Bad trades and awful roster management.

Yep. While the Sale return was larger (Kopech, along with the other two lesser prospects), Sale was better than Crochet and had an additional year of control. Also, teams aren’t giving up their top prospects like they did in the years of the Sale and Quintana trades. I’d trade Crochet for Holliday in a second, and wouldn’t think twice about it. However, I doubt the Orioles would agree to the deal.

And the Sox don’t have enough bats for a decent lineup, much less any true star potential players. While you don’t want to lose Crochet, the Sox do have some promising arms that could fill the void. You also free up that $75+ million dollar extension that wouldn’t be going to Crochet for other players.

When is the last comparable trade of a recent #1 overall prospect for an ace potential starter with two years of control? The Sale trade is all I can think of. I believe Moncada was the #1 overall prospect at the time but Sale had 3 years of control left and was much more established as a top starter than Crochet is right now. Sale was also under an extremely team-friendly contract for those remaining 3 years at $39.5 million total.

Per Wikipedia: ”Chappas was measured by Harry Caray and publicly declared to be 5 ft 3 in (1.60 m), an inch or two shorter than established star Freddie Patek. He was one of the shortest players in Major League history, although Chappas stated in an interview in Sports Illustrated that he was closer to 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m), and implied that team owner Bill Veeck exaggerated his short stature for publicity reasons.”

First of all, when does Reinsdorf ever approve including that kind of money in a trade? Even if he did, I think the Orioles would rather have 6 years of a cheap Holliday rather than 3 years of Robert for $40 million. 25:$15M, 26:$20M club option ($2M buyout). 27:$20M club option ($2M buyout)

I’d only bet your house.

I know it was the Panthers but I think the key is that Caleb appears to be improving with more game experience and is starting to catch up with the speed of the NFL compared to college, which was probably a shock to him early on. And to look this good with still a weak OL is nice to see.

At least the Cease trade was just mediocre. The Fletcher and Vargas trades were highway robbery.

Yep, that’s why I think they should be both be the price. Both are still very young but their prospect ratings appear to be much higher than their performances dictate thus far. De Vries has hit much better than Salas though.

Holliday played more games at SS than 2B in the minors and the scouting reports I’ve read say he’s at least average defensively at SS. They moved him to 2B because they weren’t going to move their All-Star Gunnar Henderson from SS. But fine, I’ll take a 2B prospect with a .928 OPS in the minors. You think he’s overrated because of 190 at bats in the majors. He’s 20 years old. This isn’t a 24 year old Vargas with 509 career at bats.

Getz listened to his assistant GM Josh Barfield on choosing Dominic Fletcher over Jake McCarthy, due to Barfield’s knowledge of both players since he was the the director of player development for the Diamondbacks. Getz then listened to assistant hitting coach Mike Tosar on acquiring Miguel Vargas because Tosar was the scout with the Dodgers who originally signed Vargas. Tosar was fired a week later. Perhaps there was input from others but only the above two guys were mentioned for both the Fletcher and Vargas acquisitions. You can’t make this stuff up. And by “stuff” I mean epic failures.

PTSD from the Fletcher and Vargas trades.

Is there even a doubt? 🤣