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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) If we continue taking pitchers and end up having a surplus of pitching talent, then we can always trade them for hitting. It's not that big a deal, I don't mind sticking to your strengths. or replacing the sp who is or ready to move on.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) Bickell to Arizona for a 7th round draft pick works for me. even if the hawks has to give up a 2 and a 3 rounder for clubs that need players to make the floor of the contract.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 05:24 PM) I am incredibly confused by this post. then don't bother with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) What are they doing now? well, since you know i am not a professional coach, and a fan like everyone else. in additions, the team on the major side appears to look as they forgot all about the fundamentals, my response is based on those parameters i just stated. btw, do you know for a fact of what they do??

i hate mentioning this, but with the pitching and selection of the pitchers, i really trust the sox org, blindly.

economically my idea probably wouldn't be cost effective. i would have coaches on each team at each level coaching. teaming the fundamentals. repetition, repetition, repetition. keep on going over, over. just keep drilling the fundamentals. but that is me.

each team will have different assets to pay in a trade situation. so there fore, each trade idea will have to be handled differently.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Yet, you think they'll give up Stroman for a rental? you really have to take each team's priorities. for this example, lets use Hou. 1. when did hou won the WS? 2. when was the last time hou was in the finals for the series. 3. when was the last time they make the playoff. and lastly, at this time, can they, with the team assembled, can they make the playoff let alone go deep into the series. now if they have to pay to get those players to help them, and even a chance to win the series, how much would the team pay for that??

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:18 PM) Eh, one guy who was ranked in the teens doesn't "really hurt" much of anything, though it made a small dent perhaps. He is now being replaced in that rotation by Brennan, coming off surgery, a former high round pick. The real decline in the system is about the top. i totally agree in the comment about the decline on top of the system. however, when this system needs players, 1 who has promise, does make a little dent in the system. and again, ref Brennan and another pitcher, for me, will move up in the system, pretty much as you said.

Rome wasn't built in a day. all this failures fall directly on the owners. plain and simple. why the owners, they refuse to see the truth and allowed this disaster of how to run a baseball team. the buck ends with the owners. now the sox has Hahn at the helm, well somewhat at the helm. he has many yrs of incompetence to undo. the problem is trying to rush the job and the shortcuts they may take.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) The problem is the White Sox do all these things in the minor leagues, and either they have players that just can't grasp it or have instructors that just can 't teach it. There was a photo on Twitter of Micah Johnson being schooled about playing 2B in Charlotte 6 hours before the game. I was told the same thing was going on in Chicago. He wasn't getting better. Is it because he can't or the White Sox don't know how to make him better? I also heard another reason Micah is in Charlotte was the pitching staff was getting very frustrated, I heard especially Samardjiza, with his glove work. all that is sooo sweet to hear. excellent, the players do have a pulse.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Maybe that money is being spent on Bonafacio. The problem with the trade is whether anyone really wants to admit it or not, Reed was a definite asset on a rebuilding team. The asset was traded away for a strikeout machine, which the White Sox apparently are attracted to in their system, who has little chance to ever help the team. If you trade Reed fine. But it isn't about well, Reed ultimately failed so getting a guy that failed is great. Whoever is responsible for scouting Davidson blew it. If you make a trade for a team's #1 ranked prospect, but could have had their #10 ranked prospect, and the #10 ranked prospect turns out to be a better player. You blew it. When Hahn or KW are making trades, it doesn't matter what the BA ranking is. It doesn't matter what the mlb.com ranking is, or what BP or Fangraphs thinks, it's ultimately what the White Sox think. And what they thought of Matt Davidson was wrong. i do agree with you, esp when the sox could have used him last yr. however, the idea was a good idea, the execution of it was really bad.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) They will not be forfeiting any draft picks this winter. I'm pretty sure Hahn and staff now realize they are much farther away than originally anticipated. Not only will they likely keep all their draft picks, look for the team to add prospects this summer by dealing guys like: Samardzija, Ramirez, and possibly even Quintana. You are right Lord Chas, they need catcher depth in the system. They also need depth at just about every other position as well. After catcher, I would focus on 3b, SS and OF in the draft. I really hope Samardzija can pitch great up until the deadline. I thought Hahn did a great job trading Peavy at the perfect time for Garcia and Montas in 2013. A similar return package for Shark would be fantastic. to me, it will depends on the trades the sox makes. i do hope for 1 trade in the sp category.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) I watched last night CWS games and started thinking outside the box. I know it wouldn't be done due to egos and the risks/embarrassment of failure but look at Vanderbilt pre Corbin. Vandy was a program with no history and one of the greatest disadvantages in recruiting there could be. Many of you may not realize that most baseball scholarships are fractions of a full ride. At Vandy if you are on a third or half ride you must come up with the rest of the money. That extra is often 20-30k just in tuition. That cost severely limits your player pool. Academic requirements are substantial and most academic scholarships start with needing about 32 on an ACT. Yet he has built a very solid program all while the MLB raids his roster and recruiting class. They play smart aggressive baseball. They develop pitchers and hitters. I would consider hiring someone like that to run my minor league system. I think the minors are much more like college than MLB. You are dealing with developing players and dealing with kids away from home and life problems. I would seriously consider a guy like Corbin and give him a huge say in hiring scouts and instructors. So often scouts and instructors are former MLB players or failed minor leaguers who seem to have little qualifications. There is a place for people who have MLB experience but not in an organizational nepotistic way. Imagine guys developing. Coming up and able to hit behind runners, execute a bunt when called for, knowing how to play defense. Playing smart. i personally like that idea in some respects. i believe Joshua and i discussed something like that during the off season. i was all for hiring another young pitching coach to be groomed, something like a promising coach, maybe in the college level, to start working with the sox minor leaguers and on the specification of what coop wants. of course they will have a difference in philosophy, but that will be ok and still work together. something like this happen in the 80's early 90's with the sox. with ref to the other coaches, nothing will happen as long as the owners still believe in the good ole boy system. edit.... btw nice safe topic.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) I guess in hindsight I should have mentioned his poor in game decisions over his California weekend get-a-way. I guess I just thought being away that many games was a bit much. Looking back I it, I guess you hire a bench coach to take over when needed. Apparently, Parent is not that good either. and you got a point. the thing, i think there is plenty to criticize RV for in the beginning of the season, baseball related. but family business should remain family time. this players and coaches misses alot of family time during their career.

for me, i am using Sale as the front side example. Fulmer is not front of the rotation and neither is Rodon at this time. who knows in 4+ yrs from now. i see Adam, Q, Rodon, and Fulmer all in the same kettle. that is a pretty nice group of arms there, if they all continue to develop. lets not forget Lowry and Guerrero and how they will develop.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) If you're going to rip on Ventura and the coaching staff, please do. They deserve it. But use reasons that actually are valid and important. and i agree.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) He has big power. I'd much rather have him play vs LHP than Beckham or Gillaspie. Understand what he is though. Homers and lots of strikeouts. There's always been this fallacy on this board though that strikeouts are the worst thing in the world. He'd be hated quickly. esp if his avg is 200 with 20 hrs.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) Agreed with all this. If Samardzija can continue to pitch like he has the last two games, the Sox will get a decent return, if not, take the Samardzija comp pick. Another option could be to try and get comp picks for LaRoche, Alexei and Melky. I'm not counting on all three but one of them could be worth a comp pick to a desperate contender if the bats come around. if anything, this is the draft, 2016 for having comp picks. it will be a deep draft. my problem now, at this moment, no player is screaming elite skill. but that will change as cape cod comes around and latter when the ncaa season starts again. i am intrigue with some notable pitchers, but we shall see. talent wise, 2017 is the draft for me. but oh well.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) Rongey posted an article about trading Sale. From the Facebook comments: Guy #1 Sale & Samardzija for Schwarber, Castro, Almora and Alcantara. Done. Guy #2 If they trade schwarber, ill be upset. Castro almora for sale.. Done Highway robbery tho. They would never trade sale for castro Guy #1 Castro and Almora would get you laughed off the phone. If you're the Cubs, the only guys you can say are off-limits are Bryant and maybe Russell. You just don't trade those guys, period. If you're the Sox... you can justifiably say, for a package of Sale + a Samardzija rental, that "we want any four names we want after that." Castro - also on a manageable deal - slots in nicely at 3B. Schwarber is the best bat - whether it's at C, LF or DH. Almora and Alcantara are both good prospects but the jury remains out. these trade ideas are getting worst in every one publish.

the post this day had me thinking in all sorts of way.. looking at how the sox done in picking up players on the waiver list, they are relatively quite, i wonder why? did they get offended on how they were made fun off on this site?? i think not. would the sox are hesitant of make a White Flag Trade part deux?? i really hope not, b/c if the sox are not in the running, this yr of all yrs, they have to make the trades before anyone else.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 07:19 PM) Here's your draft signings and pool status update - should give you the full picture as it stands right now. what the f***, how can we not sign him.... you can't tell me that the sox can not use someone like this. i am totally pissed. i mean, can't the freaking owners afford this. oops ~~~~ edit. i mean to mention the name. ==== Joseph Reinsdorff

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) He was a catcher until last season when he pitched 35 innings. I would think either genetically he may have issues in his arm, or he must have some messed up mechanics. Then he pitched in the Cape Cod league before busting loose this season. He has 119 IP as a college pitcher, not counting what he did in the Cape Cod league. Of course he was a catcher, so it wasn't like he wasn't throwing before. It just seems really quick to get injured. yeah. but a TJ injury can happen on a littlest thing. mine happen when i caught an elderly man at the food store down here. i had to have my shoulder completely rebuild. so it was a TJ + additional shoulder repair. i still like the fact that he would be rehabbing no matter what kind of injury.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) If all we do is use fWAR at its most basic, his contract started in 2013. 2013-2015 he's been paid $16.8 million and unless he improves upon this season's early start, he will have been worth about 2fWAR. In other words, based on what he's done during this contract so far...he's actually been slightly overpaid. If we were sitting in a position where we were desperate for a SS to make a competitive run immediately I'd take the gamble on absorbing that contract and probably even give up something non-terrible for it. However, there's an equal chance that he keeps this performance level up and becomes even more overpaid as his contract increases. I just don't think I'd do it with where this White Sox team sits. It wouldn't outrage me, it might be a worthy gamble to take, but it's definitely a gamble. excellent point and i would too. but in this case, no thanks

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) They really have about two weeks, IMO. The way the SP market is unfolding, the Sox need to strike first with Samardzija. exactamondo