SoxFan562004

Wow, Speigel and Bernstein together on the Score today is absolutely brutal.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 12:05 PM) I feel like a creeper this first week of class, trying to make sure I sit next the the only hot girl in my history classes. what school do you go to that there's only one hot chick in a class? I know I was fortunate to go to Elmhurst with something like a 6 to 1 female/male ratio, but what school has one hot chick per class?

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 12:35 PM) Nah, its 12:33, we probably won't know anything official till the weekend or possibly till Monday or Tuesday, I thought. How was it with Rios last year? First it was a a team claimed him, then it came out it was the White Sox, not sure how long it took. I think there will be leaks before then, ie who has the superior claim

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 12:33 PM) With the earlier reports saying Rays and Yankees not on Manny one has to be an NL team. I hope we get him. it doesn't mean they didn't claim him, it could mean they put a claim in on him but heard that someone with a superior claim had rights

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 12:29 PM) How do you know it wasn't the Twins, Rangers, Rays and White Sox? to me, the only way he got past the NL was if he made it real clear through back channels he only wanted to go to the AL or stronger words that he would only go to the White Sox.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 12:28 PM) Heyman saying multiple teams claimed Manny, it was a fun ride, we're not gonna get him. yeah, if it's multiple teams I don't see the Sox getting him, a NL team would have had to claim him IMO in that scenario.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 12:24 PM) I eagerly await Manny taking the mount for his first relief outing. sounds like KW is trying to get an arm too, so he should just stop trying to improve the offense all together because Putz and Thorton got hurt?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:30 AM) Rosenthal reporting via Twitter that Manny is NOT asking for an extension. that report makes sense, there's been reports all month both sides are flat out done with each other.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:37 AM) I just hope Chris Sale lasts a lot longer than Strasburg. Sale's mechanics aren't pretty either. legit point with him, but young pitchers are a crap shoot, there are guys who can last a lot longer with bad mechanics than others

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) Karma is hitting Mike Rizzo right about now. no kidding, even if Dunn leaves he has to ask the owner to open his checkbook for the compensation picks, obviously won't be Harper/Stras money, but will still be decent money for guys right out of college or HS when he could have had prospects they had a chance to scout in pro ball and not pay bonuses too (I am assuming when you trade for a high prospect you don't pay a chunk of their signing bonus) Edit: Added "pro ball" to chance to scout since obviously they would scout guys in the draft

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) Even Steve Phillips saw it coming, LOL. LOL, hey even a blind squirrel... but really, there will be a few people in the media who can say they saw this coming, there was an outlet or two during the draft yelling about his mechanics... I think owners really push a draft salary cap/slot next time CBA is negotiated, and when agents go to the Nats and they say "sorry, we have a lot of money in Bryce and Stras can't afford that vet" the union may join.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:27 AM) I personally would go with the big five. Now that is a big five. I agree, depends how the White Sox want to handle the roster for next year, it's not a bad position to be in if everything holds true though, that's a hell of a starting 5 to come back or a valuable trade chip if you want to move any of those 3. and so I stay on topic here... sucks as a baseball fan to see news like this, but as others have said, not surprising... young pitchers are such a crap-shoot. Hopefully the guy bounces back strong.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 06:54 AM) I was only commenting on the person that said an accountant can take something that was a 4M profit and turn it into a 2M loss and vice versa. That is utter crap. Certainly there are regulations that enable you to capitalize certain things or you can get some beneficial one time write-offs, but at the end of the day, ultimately, it all will ultimately make its way into the financials. I also should point out that we don't know what exact debt covenants the Marlins had to reach to ensure they had access to funding, but that is a whole nother story. I think the Marlins made money, I just questioned the person who had a quote talking about what accountants good do. Sure, one year we might impact the financials one way or another (by capitalizing an item, thus delaying a chunk of the expense from hitting the P/L or by expensing the item, thus taking a 1 time hit which might allow future Net Income to apear higher). But one way or another the amount is still going to flow through the financials. And people are forgetting, teams can make a lot of money by seeing there franchise value increase significantly as well. Ah OK, no I agree with that concept, I just really like the docs because as I said earlier it shows all the "hidden" sources of income, meaning how big some of the TV contracts are and how much teams make off the jumbotron signs etc... Again, they don't have the White Sox so I am conveying these onto the White Sox, but it bolsters my argument that for a large market team like the White Sox, attendance is important, but not as important as smaller market teams. I would love to see the White Sox docs for many reasons, biggest being parking, I heard they have a great deal with that. You are 100% right about the franchise value, that was the crux of the final analysis on deadspin from a CPA, basically saying that's the "holy grail" of owning a franchise, teams just need some cash-flow (basically why the Cubs are screwed for another year or two) and can even take some loss, but the equity is the key, and few teams are in better position than JRs ownership group as far as that goes.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:16 AM) Any chance of competing next year is gone as Dunn isn't going to hang around....that is a move that is making KW look like a genius as Jackson is doing much more than Dunn would do. If Peavy can get healthy that staff has MB or Peavy as the number 5 and can move Danks if he won't sign an extension......Sale is also in the mix. I have a feeling they'll wait to Cliff Lee signs, make a strong last effort to re-sign Danks and if he doesn't move him to one of the teams that were in the Lee sweepstakes, even offering an extension window. (not saying Danks = Lee, but he would be a pretty nice 2nd place prize). If Danks can sign they'll move Jackson or Floyd

QUOTE (Special K @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) Loks Like the Dodgers may hold onto Manny, at least for the weekend. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/MLB-lat...m-August-080110 They're behind 4 teams, what a bunch of chumps. that could be them trying to get a player they want from a team. Early reports this month had them dumping him no matter what, they don't want him on the team anymore.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 02:32 AM) Ill repeat, I like Jackson, I think Coop was the perfect asnwer for him. I just dont like the price we paid for him considering our farm system and finanicial situation. and the leaked documents to Deadspin kind of show how judging that based on simple factors known to the public may not be the best method.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) Didnt KW pull this same thing around the time of acquiring Peavy? Mention walkups in your public quotes to milk the trade pressures for all it's worth financially.... "Whenever I've talked to (Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf), it's less about money even though we are stretched right now," Williams said, speaking in general terms. "We are stretched, and quite frankly we're looking at walkups every day to see exactly what we're going to have available to us. But he certainly hasn't given me any reason to think there are any restrictions right now on dollars." eh, the Deadspin docs just confirmed a lot what I thought about MLB finances, and on top of that, in the final analysis they said the holy grail of an MLB team financially is the equity you have in it, JRs group has a crap ton of equity in it.

Carl Lewis did an all time epically bad job a few years back

Sorry if this is already posted, but Heyman at SI.com says execs expect Manny to pass all the way through and then teams attempt a deal with LAD, that was what the early report a few weeks ago said KW was going to do, they weren't going to put a claim in on him, but only move if he passed through. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/base....html?eref=sihp

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) The Giants picked up Jose Guillen from the Royals off of waivers to cover their RF spot. Their corner OF's have just been flat out bad this season. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/burrepa01.shtml I know he hasn't been with them all year, but Pat Burrell has a .892 OPS and a 133 OPS+ with the Giants, that's pretty good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) Basically NL teams. The Sox are the AL team with the worst record of any that are still in the race. Someone like Detroit might just to spite us, but $4 million is a lot of money for spite. No one in the West will. Toronto won't. I can potentially still see the Giants or the Braves rolling the dice on him. He can't possibly be worse than Jose Guillen for the Giants, for example. Who is playing RF for Giants? They won't take Burrell out of left, he's been good for them since they got him and Manny is every bit as bad on D as Burrell can be. If they're shaky in right, I could see them claiming, although, I'm sure any team, including the White Sox, are going to have to do some back channel checking on Manny and see if he wants to play for the team, worst thing would be to claim him, Dodgers walk and you have Manny sore again or coming to your team and ripping it up

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) Armando Estrada, but they did away with him waaaaay too soon. ah yes, OK, he was good, but yeah, they didn't use him for very long

QUOTE (The Critic @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 12:03 PM) It just astounds me that WWE has done away with managers when they are so in love with HOSSES who can barely speak. when is the last time they used it effectively? Best I can remember is Heyman with Lesnar

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) I don't believe it. Someway, somehow, the numbers will eventually hit the financials. I'd have to see the situation, but I can walk through the logic. I've put together/audited quite a few financials of large institutions in my young career. Not sure what you mean. Obviously revenue sharing is helping for a lot of these teams, but also interesting numbers like the 60m+ broadcast rights for the Rangers and jumbotron revenues is what it is, they're not being tricky, it's just being disclosed. There's a reason, even in a bad economy, that there were at least 2 groups going for the Texas Rangers ownership, and it wasn't to have an opportunity to loose money. Obviously it has to do with each individual ownership group and how they run it once they get the team, because I have no doubt that it is possible to turn a MLB team into a financial disaster, but it's also possible to turn it into a moneymaker and have the public perception be you're breaking even or even operating at a loss... I think the Marlins stadium example is a good example of that. (Please don't take this post to mean that I'm questioning your analysis of it, obviously your career involves this sort of thing, I am just asking you to elaborate, I am always intrigued by pro sport finances.)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 08:21 AM) The 2003 one. They sold right away after the 97 one, they held onto guys for a while after the 2003 series. Beckett, for example, wasn't traded until after the 2005 season. They also added expensive guys like Delgado while they were at it. Baseball-Reference has their 2005 salary somewhere in the range of $80 million, which i might add, was more than the White Sox were spending at the time I believe. They cut back to less than $20 million within a couple years. Ah OK, I thought Beckett was moved quicker, but stuck around through the'05 season, however he made 1.5 in '04 and 2.4m in '05 with the Marlins, than roughly double that and beyond with the Red Sox and Delgado made 4m for the year he was there. The Cubs series went 7 games, meaning the Marlins got 3 home games out of that, and I believe they got 3 home games out of the WS, so they made a ton of extra revenue in '03, but again that's kind of the point of these documents and the analysis of them, it's hard just to strictly use obvious income sources and compare it with a raw payroll number, these teams have a lot of sources and accounting tricks to make money. Look at the link a few posts up about how the Marlins owners got the citizens of Florida to pay a large portion of the new stadium when they were pocketing money, I have no doubt that they weren't losing money hand over fist after winning the WS