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Rowand hasn't looked good all year (he looked great in spring though). Once he gets going then I think you'll see Ozzie put him higher in the lineup against lefties.

Personally I don't think Munoz will make it as a starter, but I still think Munoz belongs there. If you take away his one start in Chicago, the guy would still rank quite highly in most prospect lists. The guy was absolutely amazing in Birmingham last year, pitched well out of the pen in Chicago and had a little blip in the radar. Personally I'm pissed at how the whole 5th starter situation was handled last year. On a sidenote, I also think the Sox did a disservice to Munoz by telling him not to throw his curveball as much and they had him stressing the slider. Munoz still has a shot to be a good reliever, top 10, I don't know, but I think its one of those things where if you look aside at the beating he took against Montreal, that he still deserves to be rated pretty highly. I've long said the guy that kills me to see on that list is Kris Honel. Personally I don't think he should make any prospect list until he proves he can pitch again. On the whole though, everytime I look at the list the better of a job I think it really was. I mean I look at BA's top 30 and there are a lot of disagreements. I think as a whole we did an accurate job, but I'm sure thats up for debate. Its really tough, especially when different people have different guys they really like. Still total blast and to me best way to learn more is just to see how a bevy of people feel about different guys.

I agree it was quite classy. To be honest I hate a lot of the Twins players, but at the same time, they have a ton of guys (most of them the ones I hate) that I'd absolutely love to have on the Sox. It really is a great rivalry and I can definately say its a fun one for me to watch. To be a Twins-Sox game is as good as it gets in terms of regular season baseball.

Problem is Aaron and Pyrz are better hitters than Timo so why have Timo in front of him. In the case of Santana I'd of had Guchi leading off with Aaron in the 2 hole. Aaron tends to hit lefties well and Guchi would of been there. Then have Zuna in the 9 spot or so. But I can see semblance for the first two weeks or so keeping the lineup straight so the regulars can adjust, after that, get used to it because I'd always want the best lineup possible out there.

QUOTE(valponick @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) I understand where you're coming from but it's not like I'm pointing the finger after 1 game, its been several years with this guy, I'm just fed up. We need to quit talking about his potential and quit trying to convince ourselves that this is his year and just move on. I'm sick of it, it is a waste of our time, as a team...as a franchise. G'night all, time for bed, work in the morning. All I'm saying is Crede slips on a play and people are ready to crucify him. Crucify him all you want for his offense, but by seasons end he will be as usual, one of the best defensive 3rd basemans in the league and will save a lot more runs than he gives up on errors. Its been 6 games and people are ready to put a cast on him. Hell, where is all the talk about Uribe. The guy is in a funk himself and his throws are going all over the place. Fact of the matters is, 6 games don't make a season. Sox have won the 1st two series against divisional foes, have pitched good, have shown some small ball and have also hit the long ball. They got a lot of growing and maturing to do and with all these new players you still have more of a feeling out process, but its going to be alright. Crede is going to be alright and even if he isn't, no one is going to know that 6 games into the year.

QUOTE(El Piervizdyeguchansodnik @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Why should I be happy knowing that next time Dye gets a break that Timo is going to be hitting 5th? Aaron and AJ should be bumped up. If he wants to break up the righties, put AJ above Aaron.

Thats the thing. No asterik should ever be given for a player that was on them prior to this season when they really in fact became illegal in baseball. Whose to say a player couldn't of trained in some latin country where roids are legal and then came over to the states and been off them during the season.

That ump gave the two relievers even more room. I saw 3 k's in the last inning and a half...all looking on pitches way off the plate. It was total horses***. Then at the same time I saw Mark getting the squeeze. Regardless, the Sox had a shot at this game, a game against the Cy Young Award winner. Really no complaints out of me. I think they could of won, but its not a bad loss at all.

Hard to say simply because I'm not the biggest Mike Morse fan. He'd probably rate ahead of the 3 headed monster (Lopez, Gonzo, Valido) but I'm not much of a fan of Morse to be honest. He's just got a funky swing and I don't think it will work. Plus I don't really think of him lasting at SS. Of course he's better offensively than any of the 3 or at least he was last season. I'd have him probably at #9 which is where Lopez is now with Pedro taking a slide.

QUOTE(valponick @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) You've obviously never played competitive baseball, because that is completely wrong. No its not. A pitcher its a little differnet, but with a 3rd baseman or 1st baseman or middle infielder its the exact 180 of how it is for a pitcher. Your job is do all you can to keep it in the infield. Crede has no idea that Uribe is behind him and even if Uribe gets that you never know. I think there is a good shot he throws Lecroy out (simply because its Lecroy) but thats not a given. Hell Uribe is sliding just to get there. Crede did exactly what a 3rd baseman is taught to do. I've played baseball a long time and thats how I was always coached. I also pitched and the only time I would let the ball go through and not make an attempt at it, was when it was a bunt and I saw the 3rd baseman coming in. Otherwise if its up the middle and you got a shot, you at the very least try. If your falling off the mound and its more to where your SS or 2B are, then you let it go if its hard hit.

To be honest this wasn't Crede's fault. He tripped and fell and yes it should of been an error, but he had no idea that Uribe was behind him and your taught as an infielder do all you can to keep the ball in the infield. The whole thing was tough luck. Crede is an excellent defender, and it was tough luck. He may be struggling at the plate but there is no reason for everyone to be getting so balistic with him. I'm as dissapointed as Joe as the rest, but sometimes people just overly blame a guy because he's struggling.

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The Top 25: 10-6 By FutureSox.com Staff April 10, 2005 We are continuing our countdown of the White Sox top 25 prospects. Spring Training has finished and the major league season has begun. The start of the mnior league season lies two days ahead, so keep an eye on the guys on the list as well as some of the sleepers FutureSox.com will discuss later on in the year...MORE

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 08:13 AM) Disprove that statement. Pudge? I love pyrz. I've been a big fan of his since he was with the Twins. You knew he was a huge part of that club and he does all the little things. The day the Sox finally picked him up was one of the best days for this organization (as of late) and he's gonna be a big reason this club does some big things this year. If the Sox lock up Pyrz in the offseason, I'm getting a pyrz jersey.

Like I've been posting since day one of all these changes, the Sox still have a 200 HR club. They haven't lost all this power, they've lost some, but they are still one of the better long ball offenses in all of baseball and they will once again rank amongst the top in runs scored. BOOK IT.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 06:18 AM) Dye is 4 for 27 (.148) vs Radke, Timo is now 4 for 13 (.308). So last night's move made a lot of sense. Podsednik is 1 for 6 (.167) vs Santana. Ozuna has never faced him. This one looks like more like protecting Pods from a killer lefty while getting Ozuna some ABs. If Santana gets out of the game look for Pods to come in moving Ozu to 3B. Actually I'm in shock, it looks like a good call by Ozzie (both instances). Of course you could argue that going against Santana is when you want your speed at its best (ie Pods). Still I have no fault in playing Pablo, imo, especially cause it means you stack the lineup with righties against Johan.

Wilson Alvarez

Like I said, BoSox won't even make the playoffs this year.

I know Liotta had like 7K's.

QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) Just for my curiosity. Please find me a pic of Shaq being dunked on. You have 5 minutes. Didn't Randy Brown dunk on Shaq during the latter years of the dynasty. It was in that game where Kukoc led this huge comeback in the regular season against the Lakers.

QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 9, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) Gordon deserves to start next year. Duhon will start because Skiles will try and keep this season's "magic" together early next year. Absolutely no way will Hinrich be on the bench, especially to Gordon. He's a superior player to Gordon. Gordon has scoring...thats all.

Happy #22 Zoomer

Ya, I heard he was flat filthy tonight. 10 K's, just made one mistake (a HR). Really an awesome outing and then Baj picked up the win.

IF the Bulls found another presence that could score in the low post. Say getting a Donyell Marshall who can shoot the outside shot and do some low post work or a shareef. They could play them at the 3 part of the time and give enough of a presence to prevent the double teamings. Plus Luol and Nocioni are both slashers and then they have enough to worry about. Plus with two guys that can crash the boards like Dalembert and Chandler, I don't think you could see too many double teams on the outside simply because they would be leaving the Bulls players open for so many offensive boards and tip backs. And I must admit on the defensive side, those two would just shut down the opponents drive. Then you have Noc, Deng, Hinrich and Duhon shutting down the permiter game. These guys may be young, but they are already some of the better perimeter defenders and I often here Hinrich's name amongst the very best (from other coaches in their quotes) and then of course Gordon whose a flat shooter. I also see reason in sticking with Curry. He's a monster of an offesnive player. Simply put the guy has all kind of touch around the hoop, good quickness, good athlete. I do think he's a better at boxing out that some people give him credit for. He's not great, but he also is lazy when it comes to going after the basketball. He tends to wait for it to come to him. And defensively he's made strides this year. He's not dominate, but he's made strides. I also see reason to worry about having two inept offensive players in the low post on offense. I mean it really can go both ways, imo and Eddy at 22 has lots of growth to make.