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This is one of those deals that I could see 6 years from now looking fantastic. I could also see plenty of scenarios where it doesn't. The reality is how close does he get to that. The question to me is how much does he continue to put in the work, maintain his body, etc after getting the longer term deal. The stuff will play into his mid 30's (no issue there).

By all means I don't have any issues with Brown - but he is 30. Cost controlled though. But he hasn't hit for average or a massive amount of power. That said - he may benefit from playing at a smaller park. He is a lefty though - so right price and put him in right situations and you get something decent, but I would aim higher.

I pretty much can see a Vaughn+ headliner in a deal for Murphy. Sox do some form of a a committe, plus cheaper 1B approach. Hopefully they still than have a couple more moves in OF. Sign a Brantley and Benintendi (or trade for someone) and than maybe they go with Frazier on a 1yr deal with an option for 2nd year.

Sure would have been nice if the broncos and Rams won.

I like the Seahawks story this year - but come on Rams, pull this off.

So far I have no faith. Williams has been a nobody. Derozan was a good pick up but Vooch and Ball signings not good. Easy for me to say on Ball cause I was his fanboy but his is due to injury. Even Derozan - he has been really good but is a bad fit with the club and you can just see what happens late in 4th quarters. He goes all black hole and the ball never leaves his hands. They should trade Derozan and Vuc. I would trade Lavine too and just get assets.

Fields had the 2 picks but he was really poised passing today. Probably best I have seen him as a passer. And winning would have been bad draft wise - so fields was good…bears also maintain strong draft position.

That would be too much - so no one would be my guess.

What if Vaughn was the main asset.

Since 2020 they have the 2nd highest pitching war in baseball behind the dodgers (6th highest starting pitching). And no one is saying have blind adoration for anything.

The site is really good. Basically it is a web based bi tool and you can filter different pitches groups of pitches and than see trends over window and look at all kinds of advanced splits - spin rate trend, h-rate etc or on hitters lots of data too. It is phenomenal.

I would have signed Correa last off season or went a different route. Loved me the Correa deal.

Sox should be looking at guys to upgrade the pen/be next guys up. Call them possible upside candidates. Not a lot of money - but I am tired of not at least trying and than seeing if any stick: Tommy Kanhle could be a good fit. Was pretty good in final month for Dodgers after being hurt for forever. Fact he first came into seem with Sox could actually make this a plausible fit. Alex Reyes is also one of those take a flier guys. He is probably less likely to be super expensive but was an all star in 21. That said shoulder injuries are not good and he is always hurt. Archie Bradley could be another one - slightly more expensive than the other two but he really was banged up with Angels last year. Feels like if health is on his side he could be solid with a bit of upside. Probably not as good as the 4 year stretch he had but could be a solid bounce back candidate and I can’t imagine him getting much more than a few million.

Seager I don’t mind. Semien - meh. I actually wanted to sign Simeon when he went to Jays but the deal the Rangers did just was way too much. But seager I can’t argue as much - liken his ability to pay off for a longer portion of that contract. But I have zero issue with big money deals to position players - especially ones with strong tools and age on there side.

Please just blow it all up. Keep no one. Good lord. I am done.

Yeah it is absurd. Spend the money on the elite. Still pisses me off Sox didn’t get Harper. And if it isn’t that - do targeted buy low guys, people you can fix, or see how the market develops and take advantage of market inefficiencies.

Yes - the team with the highest projected starting rotation WAR had to go dumpster diving. Dude - come on. I am not saying they shouldn’t have developed more but give credit to where it is due - without spending big money fa they have found a way to put a pretty good rotation at the MLB level. Id love more depth and all that and so would almost every team in baseball but this teams top 5 is playoff worthy. The stupid usage of money on relievers and utility guys - that is a whole nother story.

Dude - we get it. Sox haven’t been good enough - that doesn’t make the points being made wrong - just makes the Sox front office bad. No one is implying they aren’t - but I don’t think handing out Degrom deal would be a recipe for success….especially for a team with the payroll the Sox have.

I consider Gio, Cease, Kopech all guys that come from that approach. The Sox used guys to get ‘em and than develop em. Rodon was drafted and obviously didn’t work - but Quintana and Sale were reason Sox had some of the above. But yes - Sox clearly need to do better but they have generally had better pitching than most.

With positional players - yes. With pitchers - I would rather develop or trade for elite guys with other talent vs go big and long. Or as I advocated last in past just overpay for shorter term.

That is really insane for a pitcher. This is one area I agree with JR. Develop your own or get them in short term deals for big bucks - long term with massive bucks is just so risky.

Yeah - he fell apart after Covid and some other stuff (can't remember what). Could just be coincidence too. Or maybe something was off, I don't know. But I do know this guy works hard and is always looking at optimizing things and this drop-off was nothing compared to how he started his career in the MLB and how he remastered his game.

They would have drafted Ryan Leaf anyway.

Yes - I am saying Glasnow may have negative value to the Rays. Or maybe a combo. Depends on why Rays want to make a move. If they want to do something different with payroll or not ($30+M for Glasnow may be viewed as expensive on him, maybe it isn't). I don't know that there is massive surplus value there given the uncertainty in his return. So there is risk. And no I am not proposing Glasnow for Gio straight up - I would not make that move if I were the Sox (without getting something more).

And yet this is still likely an awful move. That is too much money and 1 yr too many to give to an older reliever (or a non elite closer period).