SoxAce

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 03:05 PM) You could probably get Alonzo from the Reds for Edwin and flip him. Sad thing is, I would LOVE to keep Alonzo as the sox don't have anyone remotely close to him as a 1B prospect or even a prospect in general, but we have that Konerko guy (barring rebuild) and can't even stick him at DH cause of Dunn. (Alonzo can play LF, but is much better defensively as a 1B)

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 01:56 AM) Jeter is a good player but on any other team he would prob be a fringe HoF and a 2B but since his career was with the Yankees it gave him the chance to be what he is and props to him for it. Now I think Jeter is as overrated as anybody, but that is a bit harsh.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 08:30 AM) De Aza is intriguing me though. He's putting up great numbers at AAA and the splits show it is not because of Charlotte's park. He also isn't just some older player who came out of nowhere, Florida had him pegged as their opening day starter and a future of their OF a few years back before a really bad injury. I'd love to give him a legit shot here, especially over someone like Pierre. And De Aza could play CF as well I believe Rick Hahn loves him as well.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) Promote Jeff Bajenaru Club: 1. Rockraines 2. Milkman delivers 3. Pastime 4. Sox Hustler 5. NUKE_CLEVELAND 6. knightni 7. ScottPodRulez22 8. SoxFan1 9. Jake Haha. My Ben Davis fan club was one of the biggest fan clubs on this site. (the only fan club bigger was aboz's Buehrle fan club, which oddly enough, was the only one that was actually good for the player)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 08:24 AM) I wouldn't be surprised if that was half of the reason they were put together. No doubt.. this will be shown.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) I'm hoping the Walker draft pick serves as a kick in the ass for both Mitchell and Kenny Jr. Still needs to take a walk or two though (not to mention cut down the K's). Still only 15 ABs for him, so it's still very early (not to mention, he's very raw).

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) I'm pretty sure SoxAce just meant he hasn't performed well in games as a pro, but he is still a prospect because of his age and other things you eluded to. Exactly. And glad you have watched him newsoxfan. So far those spring training games haven't gone well in performance for two years, but like I said.. he's still very young.

It'll be interesting to see how they co-exist through time. I could see them butting heads in the future, but who knows.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) Yeah, clearly Versteeg is sticking everywhere he lands! In all seriousness, come on yo, it was clearly a salary dump so getting "hosed" really doesn't count. There's one thing to get a "salary dump" and still get good pieces for a solid, young, cup winning player (Buff/Eager trade was fantastic) and there's another to get what the Hawks got for Versteeg. (and to make it worse, Toronto turns around and deals him for a 1st and a 3rd rounder)

QUOTE (kyle @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) He has just returned for a rehab assignment pitched to Adam Dunn in Denver and Chicgo. That will get he confidence up.

Harper 0-4 with 2 K's. LOLZ what a bust LOLZ.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 07:55 PM) Not a f***ing thing will happen. And its sad. LOVE snippy Jason.

Just who posted here.. hi8is - C- (posting more, which I like, but getting married severely brings the grade down from a B-) fathom- B (not posting as much as in years past, though some of that is because of the baby, but still one of my personal favorite posters) J4L- A- (incredible year as far as getting into certain ST poster's skin, but with actual facts to back them up as well as post count. Another favorite poster of mine. Should be at the top of the soxtalk poster of year awards for 2011) The Ginger Kid- C (very underrated poster. Doesn't stand out like the others here, but doesn't kill the I.Q. of the site like others do either) FlySox87- N/A (still a rookie) Swingandalongonetoleft- C- (only post when necessarily, which is good. Still another down year from what his potential should truly be for ST.) jeffro2525- N/A (don't know enough about this poster to give a grade) South Side Fireworks Man- C- (same reason as Swingandalongonetoleft) chisoxt- C (same as Swingandalongonetoleft and South Side Fireworks Man, though IMO, he has far better potential with his post, so I gave him a touch higher grade) oldsox- N/A (same as jeffro2525) qwerty- D (absolutely a pathetic year for one of ST's best posters. Went from crushing every poster with ridiculously witty post, to absolutely crushing posters with ridiculously witty pics. Good stuff, but leave that for the ill-informed. He will get the Derek Jeter treatment with the ST awards though, as well as Kalapse) OilCan- B- (though has a low post count, his post actually stand out alot with solid reasoning. Pretty good year for him. Might be a Phil Humber fluke, but this is the "what have you done for me lately" world) GreenSox- N/A (" ") pittshoganerkoff- B- (actually the same reasoning as OilCan) greg775- C (I was actually back and forth with Greg's grade, so I put him in the middle. Not the optimistic senile he's been in year's past, and now has alot of pessimistic post... but are senile. He pisses off alot of posters for alot of reasons to name, but he mush be doing something right and a poster or two have admitted he was their favorite. Is also a regular here, so that helps balance it all out. All in all, one of those posters who you either hate him or love him) chw42- A- (just exploded into the scene this year. Though not a favorite poster of mine [yet] I'll admit, but I love his saber-love post, and is very knowledgeable here. Has future mod potential. Another guy who could be a dark horse for the ST poster of the year, and yes.. I hate those ST awards as you know) Baron- N/A (still a rookie) winninguglyin83- C (great poster on ST for many years, but just has you wanting more in posts. One of those toolsy posters who should be better than what he is, but is solid all around so he gets the solid grade) BigEdWalsh- B- (the old man just keeps on trucking. Has had a much better year than in years past, hence the higher grade) elrockinMT- C (has actually had a very good year in posting, but isn't standing out as much in those post whether that is good or bad. Fits more in the greg mode for me, but not with the same ability to agitate, but more consistent in pessimism over the years, not a flip-flopper) The other posters haven't posted yet so there you go.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) Shoemaker isn't a prospect, way too old for the level he's playing at, that isn't to say that KW2 is a prospect. He is technically a prospect. Not his fault he's rotting in low A when he raking (or as you said.. the politics). He is 24. Usually the ending/cut off of a "prospects" age (depending on who you ask) is 25-26. He might not be a top prospect (one of those guys you keep an eye on), but he is a prospect. Hell, he is one year older than Kevan Smith who was drafted this year and is in Bristol. (who I, as well as others here, like alot) As terrible as Bradley Salgado is (and yes I'm being harsh on him) he is still a prospect cause of his age. Goes both streets.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) I know why they brought him back. They traded a locker room favorite (Versteeg) to get him, and he's relatively young. He's fast as hell, but he just can't score like he should be able to with his speed and talent. Well that and they got absolutely hosed in that trade. Paradis looks like the only worthwhile player that'll fit in our future as a bottom 6 player. And he can't score because he has stone hands. Still though, he creates chances cause of his speed which helps alot. He might fare better having some "protection" with guys like Mayers and Carcillo backing him up though. I just hope this doesn't screw guys like Smith, Kruger or possibly Morin for potential spots.

Konerko.

Amazing. And I'll bet every one of them was clean. (before anyone else brings it up) Congrats to the future hall of famer. QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) I'll never understand the hate for Jeter. Ditto, though I'm jealous that he got to bang so many beautiful Hollywood woman.

I'm just glad it wasn't Getz that ratted him out.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) Just an FYI, but someone on here recently stated that the exact plan was for Flowers to be the back-up catcher next year, so this is a good audition for him. I believe it was docsox. (and if it was, he has some of the best sources around) BTW, Shoemaker continues his torrid pace.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) So you would give Danks $75-80 million and 5 years without blinking? That's just a notch above Mark's current salary. If Danks wants 4/56, yes. I don't agree with JR on alot of things, but I do agree that I'm not a fan of giving pitchers 5+ year contracts. You've got Beckham, Sale, Viciedo, Santos, Alexei (I would keep him cause of his contract) all under control for cheap plus the prospects you'd acquire (even if only TWO pan out).. I would think even this org. can work a budget around that. Like I've said for the 1,000th time though.. I view Danks very highly on this staff (more than others here, the same way Jason views Gavin Floyd)

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 06:56 PM) SoxAce, you can't keep Danks around and pay him superstar money....not with Dunn, Peavy and Rios still on the payroll. This is going to have to be a return to the pre-2005 thinking again. How can they split/allocate resources so you can get 4-8 players to contribute for the same amount of money you'd pay Buehrle and/or Danks. You've also got to make a decision about trading Carlos Quentin to free up more salary room, because he's one of the most tradeable assets in the current market for power hitters. Reed better have some totally nasty, dominating stuff that you would project him over Santos at this point. 17/20 save conversion rate is about as good as Bobby Jenks ever put up for us. But yeah, if you build around the core of Konerko, Beckham, Ramirez and Viciedo, that's a pretty good start. And we've got some new pitching assets in Humber and possibly even Hector Santiago, along with Sale. Christian Marrero seems doomed to the same fate as David Cook and Maurice Gartrell with our organization. Well thats why this thread is "what trades you would make" which obviously most of the moves won't happen (hell I agreed with nite about a firesale, and that is NOT my M.O.) And Christian just doesn't have a spot to play yet (which couldn't be said with Cook when there was like 3 spots open with players not hitting) Like i said though, I view Danks very, very highly. Thought he was a stud prospect back in the DVD days in Texas. Unless he wants 80+ million, you move him, but if he makes Buehrle money, I'd keep him. Obviously if Peavy, Dunn, etc.. are still here, you buyout Peavy's last year on his contract, and see what Dunn does next year to help his trade value IF you were to trade him. And s***, totally forgot about Sale. Yea.. you keep him too.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) Honestly, if this team doesn't plan on letting go of the coaching staff outside of Don, then I blow up the entire thing. You probably wouldn't be able to move Dunn. You have an outside chance at moving Rios. Danks, Buehrle, and Humber(if you can get someone to overpay for him) Konerko, Beckham, Pierre, Pierzynski, Quentin and Rios also gone. I want Viciedo up and I want to obtain the best prospects by far. Not even positional fits, but literally, just the best prospects we can get. This. Though I'd try and build around Beckham (give him tape to go back to the gap to gap, OBP stud he was comming up through the system/half a year in the bigs), Danks (give him Buehrle money, though I view Danks potential highly than others, still only 26) and Viciedo. Everyone else can go. Ideally, I would still keep guys like Konerko (don't really have a stud 1B in the system barring trade from another player for prospects, though I like Marrero even with Kotchman-like power) Quentin (move him back to LF, Tank to RF) and Santos (though I think Reed is the future) I'm not opposed at all to see them gone. I'd give Dunn another year as well. (He ain't nearly this bad) And of course.. I'd offer whatever Beane wants for Gio back. (I love Gio. )

QUOTE (LayelBurton @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) Andre Rienzo to DL I wonder how serious it is. He left after one inning the other night. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) I was really high on Trout in that draft and IIRC he was my guy who I wanted the Sox to draft. That said, I had zero problem with the Mitchell pick. And no one knew Trout would turn into arguably the best prospect in baseball. And you know I was right there with you. I was "meh" on the Mitchell pick all the way, but I LOVED the Beckham and Sale picks at the time. Still do if the sox were to have a do-over.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 08:34 AM) Insert standard "Everyone else calls up top prospects, but the Sox don't have a spot for Viciedo" post here. No for Trout, you'll see more "Why the hell did we pass on him for Jared Mitchell" post more.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) Yeah, that would be much less hot. Yet, still hot with the right kinky mentality...