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QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:37 PM) The both of you are confusing "I expect the Yankees to ask about our starters, I wonder what they would offer" with "Hey, I think we should trade a starter". Quite the difference. And to your comment suggesting no one wants Phil Humber, the Yankees WERE scouting him heavily during his last start. Unless of course you want to believe they are scouting a pitcher they have already played this year 2 months in advance of any possible matchup. Well, I'll concede I know nothing about the Yankees scouting Phil Humber. So I'll take your word for it. But you may as well keep him. You're not getting anything worth a damn for a nearly 29-year old pitcher who's had a good two months.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:17 PM) Just making a mention, but didn't you just say yesterday "When was the last time this team actually won after a deflating loss like this?". Maybe it wasn't you, but someone said it last night. That was me. But I meant to go on and win the division. Last night's loss brought back memories of the Jenks debacle in Minny last year. We were never the same after that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) Let's compare where they finish at the end of the year. And how many World Series titles does each organization have in the last 20 years? Why can you NOT get THIS POINT? A strong farm system is not the only way to achieve MLB success. If we are trading or signing cost-controlled, valuable players, it has THE SAME POSITIVE ECONOMIC EFFECT as a strong farm system. They are two different ways of achieving the same goal. Why is one inherently so much more valuable than the other? Man, forget about World Series titles. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about consistently putting yourself in position to win World Series titles. The original post you quoted were all moves that's happened with the Cardinals in the last year and a half. You have to go back to 2007 or 2008 or even 2005 for ammo. Just because you made some shrewd moves 3, 4, 5, years ago doesn't mean you just stop. Why is one so inherently different? You tell me. How come we've missed the playoffs 8 times in 10 years in a division that doesn't include the Yankees or Red Sox? It's all about results with me. I really don't care how you do it. But our way has proven to be futile for the most part.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:28 PM) Not saying Kenny would or should, just assuming the Yankees would ask on Danks/Jackson/Humber and wondering what the rumors might be of what they would trade, because I can almost guarantee that Kenny wouldn't consider anything unless it was Montero or Romine + prospects. Ain't no team in the league gonna call KW and ask about the availability of Phil Humber. I say that with absolute certainty.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Ok. Shack is actually right this time. Unless this team is calling it a season, we're in no position to trade a SP. Peavy simply cannot be counted on over a long stretch. He's a walking corpse that just happens to be alive. Humber? Yes. He's made me look like a fool to this point. But he's still Phil Humber. The nearly 29-year old that had done next to nothing before this season. And we all know about our SP situation in the minors.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:16 PM) You're absolutely right. But what you fail to address and discuss TIME AND TIME again, is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. You lose Bobby Jenks? Oh darn, I give you Sergio Santos. You need a a big bat, oh s***, there is Carlos Quentin! I want an athletic shortstop....oh f***, it's Alexei Ramirez. I want a leadoff hitter to replace Juan Pierre and a better defender in the outfield...oh my god, they're coming from everywhere! It's Brent Lillibridge! Two can play at your game. And one team is in first place and the favorite to win their 5th division title since 2004 (with no Wainwright), while the other is below .500 with a $125 million dollar payroll and no farm to speak of. Don't compare us to the Cardinals. There is absolutely no comparison. And lol@ensunating JP is going to get benched for Lillibridge.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) That team will look completely different if Albert Poo Holes isn't holding it up. Do people really believe he's leaving? I'd say there's about a 1-1.5% chance he bolts. The Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies won't be in the running. The Mets are a fiscal disaster right now. The Cubs are so bad that although they probably could afford him, they won't be able to put anything around him to make it worthwhile. And I don't think Albert would sell-out like that, anyway. It's not a real booming market currently for Pujols' services. If this is 2007 and he's on the verge of FA, then you have a totally different story.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:08 PM) Notice how we have been doing this pretty well this year, despite your insistence to the contrary. The goal is to get to .500 and then blow right by it. Not to recover from deflating losses and still remain under .500.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) The Cardinals sorta have something of an ace in the hole...who's a free agent after this year. Pujols is the ultimate trump card, obviously. But you don't contend year after year like they do because of one man. Especially in a sport as unpredictable as baseball. Take this year for example: obviously the Berkman signing has been fantastic. But look at how their farm has come through for them. Matt Holliday goes down? No problem. Enter Jon Jay and his .313/.370/.438/.807 OPS in LF. Skip Schumaker sucks? Enter Allen Craig and his .928 OPS at 2B. What do you say? You mean Ryan Frankin isn't getting the job done at closer? No sweat. Enter Fernando Salas and his 1.88 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 30 Ks, 11/12 save/save oppos in 28 IP. Wait, need a set-up man? Enter Edjuardo Sanchez and his 1.95 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 33 Ks and 5 saves in 27 2/3 IP. Nobody knew who Jaime Garcia was 18 months ago. Now he's one of the top young 25 and under starting pitchers in baseball. David Freese has done nothing but rake the last two years when healthy. That's how you do it. That's why the farm is so important and why I stress that ad nauseum. They're not calling on the Lucas Harrell's, Jeff Marquez's and Dallas McPherson's of the world.

Nice bounce-back. Looking forward to JP right back in LF tomorrow.

The Cubs had about a 3-year window (2007-2009) to win that elusive World Series that now they'll never sniff. The Cardinals are arguably the best-run organization in the NL. This was looking like a down year (especially after losing Wainwright) for them. And here they are with I believe the second best record in the NL. They'll always find a way to be right in the thick of things. The Reds, though they've underachieved some, aren't going anywhere with their young core of Bruce, Votto, Stubbs leading the offense and a bevy of quality, high upside starting pitchers. The Pirates are no longer a laughing stock. And they've got three of the top pitching 'spects (Cole, Taillon, Alie) in the game on the horizon. The Brewers are on fire of late and should be really good next year as well (though losing Fielder will hurt, obviously). And then there's the Astros. Won't even get into the Phillies and Braves. You know they're not going anywhere. The Marlins have a future superstar in Mike Stanton and two more potential all-stars in Morrison and Sanchez, to go along with Hanley, JJ, Nolasco and Anibal Sanchez. The Giants with that rotation (and a healthy Posey) aren't going anywhere. Colorado has two superstars and a CY caliber pitcher and a ton of young talent on both the big league club and in the minors. D-backs are on the up and up. The Nationals will have more star power than any team in the NL soon. I guess what I'm saying is that the Cubs had their chance when the NL was pretty s***ty. Now the NL is A LOT better and will continue to get better while they're stuck in no-man's land. I love it. I hope they continue to suffer. I feel sorry for Cubs fans like I feel sorry for child molesters.

Mike Moustakas with his first career HR.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 11:09 PM) Again, I've never said I'm a better fan than you or anyone else. I don't know why you keep insisting I'm saying that. And you won't ever find me saying anything even approaching that either. You jump off the deep end like four times a day and I'm just trying to keep you out of the room with rubber walls. Why do you have to play Soxtalk psychiatrist? Let us be nuts. It'd be boring as hell if 98% of this board thought like ranger.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 11:00 PM) WTF are you talking about? You need help. No, I don't need help I can admit what I am. A hardcore pessimist that loves the White Sox. I was giving the team props for finding Sergio. Would I do that if I just wanted to b**** all the time? You constantly look down on those that don't worship Scott Merkin and Hawk. And I'm sick of it. You're no better a fan than I am. Get over yourself.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Go find a post where I have ever judged whether someone is a true or real fan. I challenge you to go find anything even mildly approaching that sort of judgmental bulls*** out of me. The only thing I encourage people to do is to channel their negativity in other directions, because it is simply not healthy to do what some of you guys apparently do to yourselves based on what this team does. I don't have to do that. I KNOW you do that. The search function hasn't worked in years and I'm not googling whatever just to make a point. You always do that and you know it. If we get angry or upset about something we're on the verge of suicide and we should start reading the bible. You do that s*** all the time and you know it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:44 PM) The same goes for you! You two probably both have stomach ulcers from all the gloom and doom you prognosticate on a daily basis. Or else you have raw genitals from all the masturbating you do when things are going poorly for us. Either way, when you or Greg are posting s*** like "oh, they are definitely going to score now. Sergio can't get anyone out," how the f*** is that refreshing to anyone other than yourselves? Whatever. You're always on here trying to educate someone on what a 'true' fan is and if they don't fit your criteria they should take up "knitting" or whatever. s*** is old and tired. Even with how I am, I don't try and push that off on other posters and if they disagree with me tell them they should find another hobby. This was a pathetic loss and nothing you say can mask that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:36 PM) Then honestly, why come back every night again and again. If you can't handle the f***ing swings of professional sports, then go take up knitting. Coming here to be debbie downer EVERY GOD DAMN NIGHT gets really old, Greg. That's bulls***. greg is refreshing. Why can't he choose, like me, NOT to give this team the benefit of the doubt whenever they choke on their own blood? This team doesn't deserve that. There's no recent history of this team overcoming adversity. This is a terrible loss and could definitely send them into a downward spiral.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) No, you continually s*** on this team so you can be the board contrarian. The only thing you're reliable at is being wrong about damn near everything. Yeah, that's my ultimate goal. To standout on a message board against people I've never met before in my life.

A rookie pitcher by the name of Gilbert Godfrey vs Javy 2.0. And even though Edwin is mediocre, that should be a win. Up 5-3 in the 9th with two outs and nobody on and Sergio morphs into Billy Koch. This type of loss distorts an entire season. And f*** damn will Ozzie f***ing bench Juan Pierre. What the f*** does he offer? I can't stand these two inept idiots. No reason at all to believe Viciedo can't duplicate what Mark Trumbo has done for the Angels. I hate this organization.

JP doing what he does best. Suck at his profession.

"This game won't matter much in the big scheme of things." /ranger

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) You really should troll elsewhere. Thanks, Hawk. I'll do just that when I deem it necessary.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) Why is this game devastating exactly? 2 outs and nobody on? Yes, this qualifies as devastating. You can play the there's still 90 games left or whatever card. I choose not to do that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) Are people seriously saying the season is over and f*** Ozzie and KW because a team coming off a 10 game losing streak decided to steal one? Get a f***ing clue. That's exactly what I'm saying. This team has no history of bouncing back from devastating losses such as these.

This will be a devastating loss. I just need to shut up. I was giving Sergio his due and he molests me.