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QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 6, 2010 -> 02:35 PM) i realize its spring training, but seeing what danks, flowers, hudson,viciedo etc, are capable of doing, how promising they look, doesnt that make you think a little twice about trading them (and more) away for agone? If we can sign AGON to an extension then anybody is fair game not named Beckham. But for a year and two months of AGON? Ask Braves fans how they feel about losing Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus for a year of Tex.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 5, 2010 -> 10:25 PM) Good work fellas. I did Legs & Back today as well. Heading into the "rest" week between phases two and three right now. Being bad tonight though. Eating chili cheese fritos, sour patch kids, and watching some Entourage. Sounds like you've more than earned the right to indulge a little (not that some fritos and sour patch kids is really indulging).

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 4, 2010 -> 12:35 AM) Justin Upton contract extension is official now... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4962429 6 years, 51.25 million.. only 22 years old.. and already a monster. Absolute bargain of a contract considering how ridiculously talented he is. 22 years old? Good god.

Am I committing suicide if I combine P90X and Insanity? I want to add lean muscle while maintaining a lean/trim body. I don't want to be bulky.

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 4, 2010 -> 12:23 AM) I may need a commish for another Soxtalk league. Please let me know if you are interested. I'm up for another one IF nobody else volunteers. Doesn't matter what kinda league it is.

Just finished watching the last of the defensive highlight clips of Gutierrez at MLB.COM. Yes, his nickname should indeed be "Death to all things flying." He's spectacular.

I was about to bust out laughing. I thought he meant we had the #9 farm system. So 25 is the stop point?

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 12:05 PM) Not really. He was good to be sure, but nothing special. Maybe not a bargain. But if he's to get back to '06/'07, combined with the fact he's one of the most gifted defensive outfielders in baseball, I doubt you'll find many (save greg775 and jphat) that will be complaining too much about the contract.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) Hello. Long-time Sox fanatic -- just over 50 years old, Chicago native, actually a fanatic about all things baseball, but of course reserve the true love for my favorite two teams, the White Sox and anybody who happens to be playing the Schlubbies. I've followed Soxtalk for many years, but have always preferred to read and be entertained, rather than posting myself. From talking to my friends and family, there are a lot of zealous Sox fans with a similar mindset. And kudos to Soxtalk, because almost all of these similarly inclined lurkers seem to greatly prefer Soxtalk to the competition. So, what brings me out of lurking? I suppose I'm increasingly bothered by many avid fans, and the media, mischaracterizing what the 2010 DH slot is all about. This mischaracterization or misunderstanding has been around since the very day the flexible DH approach became news. Some of the problem might have something to do with the continuing adventures with Ozzie-speak. We've all seen how some baseball subtleties sometime get lost in translating Ozzie-speak into everyday English. Without further windup, here's the gist of my issue -- I would be as worried about the 2010 DH Slot as anybody, IF I actually thought that DH at-bats for 2010 were going to be substantially divided just between Jones, Kotsay, and our new #11. We seem to be hearing so many Sox fans saying just this, including very intelligent fans who follow the Sox and baseball closely. The media regularly addresses this same supposed concern. Just today, in David Haugh's column advancing the position that the Sox should keep Beckham and not include him in any A-Gonzalez trade (couldn't agree with this more), Haugh lists other keys to 2010 success, including: "And the spotty DH trio of Mark Kotsay-Andruw Jones-Omar Vizquel has to justify Guillen's odd faith." DH trio? Nonsense. I'm not sure whether people just enjoy a good straw-man argument, or whether they just don't want to take a moment to consider the full picture before reacting. Never once have I heard Guillen, Williams, or anyone within the White Sox organization say that this "trio" is your 2010 DH by committee. In fact, all of the DH discussion, in tandem with the more general discussion of roster flexibility, fluidity, interchangeability (call it what you will), has said exactly the opposite -- that a large number of Sox players will see significant time at DH in the 2010 season, as players rotate through that position AND in the field. I fully expect that the trio of Jones, Kotsay, and Vizquel will see time at DH. Absolutely. However, and everyone can make their own guess, I'd imagine that we'll see Quentin as DH in somewhere between 25-30 games, Pierre for 25-30, Konerko for 15-20, AJ for 15-20, and Beckham, Ramirez, and Teahen for 5-10 each. So, do the math and for somewhere between 80-100 games, someone other than the "dreaded" Jones, Kotsay, Vizquel trio will man the DH slot. Yes, the remaining 60-80 games will feature one of the three as the DH, but not to open a different can o' worms, each of these players do bring certain talents to the table and using them periodically in this way also allows them to perform better when they are filling-in for a resting starter, pinch-hitting, or whatever. And this latter point is what this whole flexibility idea is all about. I'm pretty certain we get the best overall performance and stats out of players like Quentin, Pierre, Konerko, and AJ if we get them off the field from time-to-time and "rest" them by a couple of days R&R in the DH role. Granted, managing this will be a bit of a logistical headache, but I think the theory is sound. In fact, I like the theory a lot for this mix of players. I think the Sox are much better off maximizing the performance level of players like Quentin, Pierre, Konerko, and AJ (insuring the occasionally needed rest, minimizing injury risk, optimizing the skill set of each for when they are on the field), rather than plugging in plodders like the current-day versions of Thome and Dye (and I love both of these guys -- just not for THIS team). Would I rather we have Adrian Gonzalez or Adam Dunn as the needed LH power bat and thereby slide Konerko or Dunn to more or less full-time DH? Of course. But in a world of limited resources, we don't have these guys (at least not now), so our plan needs to be maximizing what we do have. And in that regard, having a 7-10 player DH rotation (including some darned fine offensive ballplayers in that mix for a majority of the games) is a decent enough plan. I understand how some might greatly prefer the one stud DH. We don't have that guy now, nor do I think we get him by trade without giving up more than I'd personally be willing to give up. But for all of those upset with the flexible DH alternative, it might ease your concerns a bit if you analyze it for what it is, rather than for what it isn't (and it isn't DH limited to the trio of Jones, Kotsay, and Vizquel). But it was a damn good (it really was) post.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 11:24 AM) RIOS: $9.7 million in 2010, $12 million each in 2011 and 2012 and $12.5 million apiece in 2013 and 2014, and $13.5 million team option for 2015 with a $1 million buyout. Rios isn't much of a bargain at all. If he gets back to his '06/'07 level he is.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:39 PM) Whether he is here or not, he is only raising his value then. It'd be nice to actually draft, develop and keep some talent every now and then.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:30 PM) Hudson rockin'. I am loving the pitching staff possibilities for this team in the next two seasons. Don't get too excited. I don't see Hudson here past the deadline, if not sooner. Prospects just don't stick around long with KW in charge.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Mar 1, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) Lol, it's kind of funny how some people might "regret" signing a 45 million contract. Unless Longoria is living like a balla, 45 million ought to last him for the rest of his life. Well yeah, not saying Longoria will be poor anytime soon. But relative to other top players in the game, he's going to be pretty underpaid for a while. He might be a top 10 player in baseball right now. There's nothing to suggest he won't get better and stay at an elite level through age 31 (outside of injury, which can't be forseen).

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 1, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) In protest to all of this Adrian Gonzalez talk, I want to talk about Gordon Beckham as a long-term White Sox player. I was taking a look at Evan Longoria's contract, and truthfully, I would offer Beckham the same thing. This is Longoria's: 2008 0.5 2009 0.55 2010 0.95 2011 2.0 2012 4.5 2013 6.0 2014 7.5 opt 2015 11.5 opt 2016 11.5 opt 9 yrs/45 mil Locked up until he's 31 yrs old. This looks like a contract that Longoria will regret signing someday, but if Beckham would sign, I'd do it today. Those are team options, right? Longoria is going to be getting butt-f***ed for quite a while.

QUOTE (Cali @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 06:59 PM) Not on the original ballot. Pods wasn't a starter. I'm talking strictly starting. But while you bring that up, why can't that same enthusiasm be brought to voting in a starter? What's the difference? Is it the whole, we vote for your NL guy, you vote for our AL guy? That wasn't his point. You do remember that Pods beat out Derek Jeter for that final spot, right? And A.J. got in the next year through the same process. You contend there aren't that many Sox fans around the country. Well there were plenty out in full force during those two instances.

Thanks, JPN.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) Adrian Gonzalez damn it. I truly hate spring training stories, they're such garbage. Especially Levine's, he's been particularly excruciating the past few weeks. My bad. Don't know why I put the s in there.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) Jake Peavy tries selling Adrian Gonzales to Kenny Williams. Guess what Cowley, maybe there was some truth to it after all. Nothing against you, but this is such a non-story. Selling Kenny on Gonzales? That's like trying to sell to me that Beyonce would be a pretty good lay. If Kenny has to be sold on Gonzales, and I know this is not the case, he needs to get into another line of work. It's all about what the Padres want and if the Sox either have that or are willing to give up what they want.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) Even if AJ doesnt resign for cheap/we dont have the money with extending or resigning Agon(which is the reason this is brought up) I wouldnt be against just throwing whoevers stronger defensively armstrong or lucy back there or hell if we know AJs gonna be gone because of the reason were gonna be paying AGon then id excelerate Gonzalez through the minors this season and get him ready for next year. Are you seriously advocating AAAAA players such as Lucy or Amstrong as everyday catchers at the big league level? Rush Gonzalez through the minors just because? Not making a whole lot of sense here.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 01:56 PM) I can see the need to try and sign AJ as the catching will be thin if 1) We trade Flowers and 2) None of the minor league prospects develop as quickly (Cole Armstrong and Don Lucy) are the high AAA candidates with Josh Phegley and Miguel Gonzalez coming up through A/High A. I am concerned both Armstrong and Lucy will not be everyday catchers and the catcher FA market now looks thin if Mauer gets locked up for a long term contract. Both Phegley and Gonzalez are each 2-3 years away. Concerned? I'd say there's no chance in hell. Not even Scenario or JPN would try to paint a positive picture for those two. Lucy? He was drafted in 2004. It's 2010. 'nuff said right there. Cole Armstrong had a nice little run in the AFL year before last, that's about it. He shouldn't be counted on for anything other than taking up a roster spot at Charlotte. Phegley/Gonzalez, as you have stated, are nowhere near the show. Flowers is our only legitimate in-house option at C.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) if its just those 3, maybe. but i wouldnt even trade beckham straight up for agone "Just" those 3? That's a pretty steep price for 1.5 of AGON. I'm not that sold on Danks (although he's got some nice tools). But I definitely think Hudson/Flowers are legit.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 11:22 AM) Seems to me it would be alot cheaper sending 2 prospects, preferrably OF types like a Danks or Thompson or a Morel type guy to Washington for Adam Dunn for the year rental. We can afford to lose OF depth as I see it and we would hold on to Flowers and Hudson still who I see as major contributors by 2011. Dunn is going to make 12 million this year. Not happening.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 11:08 AM) and the sox wont be trading beckham for a rental player. I wouldn't trade Hudson, Flowers or Danks for 1.5 years of AG. Think the Braves would like to have Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus back for that 1 year of Mark Teixeira?

Celtics = Epic failure

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Feb 24, 2010 -> 05:23 PM) I'm in, just had my first draft in 2 years and i think it came out realllllly solid so now i wanna do another so as long as theres a draft im down. BTW check out this BA team C John Baker 1b Miguel Cabrera 2b Gordon Beckham (yahoo better get on the ball and make him 2b eligible) 3b Evan Longoria SS Marco Scutaro OF BJ Upton OF Manny Ramirez OF Michael Cuddyer Util Carlos Quentin Util Teahen or Swisher BN Teahen or swisher and Felipe lopez SP King Felix SP Verlander RP Soria RP Cordero P Josh Johnson P AJ Burnett P Johnathon Sanchez P Jenks BN Zambrano BN Dice-K BN Sweaty Freddy hahaha oh boredom, im sure not one person gives a f**k lol How the hell did you end up with Felix, Verlander and Josh Johnson?