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QUOTE (ottawa_sox @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 05:31 PM) But what about the new super Flowers ------ the one wearing glasses? The 2nd half of the season which translates to 48 games , so really it's 1/3 0f the season Tyler had a .280 B.A. , .337 OBP, .553 SLG, and .891 OPS. Odd thing is looking at the stats for August and Sept/Oct. which is 38 games the numbers don't match up except fot the Sept/Oct OPS . He must have been very hot the last 10 games of July. Is that the period when he went crazy with the Sorcerors Spec's ? Anyway Tyler chalked it all up to studying how great hitters do it on film so maybe he can carry over what he learned to 2015.

In a year when people in Chicago hear "MJ" they will think of Micah Johnson

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Maybe I'm being ignorant here but why tender Viciedo if they no intent on keeping him. Now there is talk about settling for a comp pick? Just seems dumb to me, I suppose. I would have rather had Ichiro vs another year of Viciedo. Because no matter what the offseason plan was , Hahn couldn't be 100% sure he would be able to get the guys he wanted. Plus something for him is always better than nothing but if it ends up nothing then so be it. Move on and give him his 750K.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:15 PM) There is a lot of this logic with which I do not disagree and can relate, but the usage of blown saves and W-L for the relievers is pretty silly. Blown saves from middle relievers tell you very little and they are incredibly vague as it is. If a previous reliever loads the bases with no outs in a 1 run game, the new reliever comes on, induces a double play and strikes the next guy out (leading to 1 run), he is credited with a blown save. That is not usually the scenario, but that scenario exists. Also, the Sox were a terrible team last year and brought in 3 relievers from teams who were decent to good. Their W-L record being better ultimately means nothing. Frankly, if you had just said "they brought in 3 relievers who were good to very good last year to replace 3 relievers who were crappy to really crappy," I'd have had no qualms with this. I'm currently expecting about 84-86 wins, and I think that could easily be way higher. Basically the new bullpen will not walk as many guys and will K way more . Though Hahn loves groundball pitchers, I'm sure he realized that a good bullpen should pile up the K's. Robertson's and Duke's K's/9 indicate as much.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) The 2014 numbers had him as a statistically slightly above average RF in limited time (though slightly below average while he was with the Sox in RF). He was an incredibly terrible CF, and an incredibly great LF in extremely limited time. For his career, he is below average, statistically. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...ion=OF#fielding I know I saw the same stats. Just saying it's pretty much a given he's much better defensively than Viciedo. Can you imagine Robin putting Tank in CF ? At least Robin had enough confidence in him to give him a few games in CF. He just doesn't have the speed to be a true backup in center.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) Get him as the fourth outfielder. It makes too much sense. Problem is he not really a backup CF. Need a guy who can play all OF positions pretty well . Jordan Danks is still the best we have for that so far.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) He is going to be a limited sample size guy no matter what the stats say. Just watching him out there, he looked like a little leaguer fighting the ball and routes. Guess I saw it differently than you. I thought he was above average in RF. But I know you don't like him as a player and I do so we're both biased . Only the limited sample size stats back me at least for 2014.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) His defense is viciedo/de Aza esque. Want to back that up with something tangible ?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) Moises makes the game fun. He knows he's a 4th outfielder, good defense, great arm, the bat could be there and he's a great clubhouse guy. Hahn I hope you read this board and bring back Moises! Him and Abreu were pretty close from all appearances. Maybe even a little too close from some of the vids I've seen

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) Pick him up!!! Designate Shuck. I love what he brings to the clubhouse. Plus, he's the only one that made Conor smile! I said in another thread that I miss Moises Sierra and got the response "said no one ever". Glad to see I'm not the only one.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) He fits pretty damn well if the Sox can jettison Viciedo. (I'm only saying that because I want him torturing Conor again) Hey we bring back Peavy , Beckham, Moises and AJ and we're all set

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) When it was over did Samardizija tell Robertson that he's had to talk about the same s*** the last 5 years? I knew I heard him say "s***" lol.

Shark remembers coming to the park and watching Sammy Sosa before he was traded.

Lots of background chatter. Heard someone say the Cubs are still the Cubs.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) I think the $10M is heavily incentivized on him reaching 200 innings. No I think that's the base salary with another 4M in incentives .

The video is already streaming at http://www.csnchicago.com/page/livewhitesox jerseys laid out .

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) If they can find the right piece, I think the next biggest hole is in the rotation. Morrow signs with the Padres. Brett Anderson with the Dodgers for $10M for 1 year. Damn that's a lot for a guy who is never healthy.

The press conference introducing Samardzija, Robertson and Melky will be carried live on MLB network today . 3:30PM EST . Figure your time from that Probably better coverage of it on CSN Chicago also streaming live on their website.

Well Stone Pony I'll tell you what . Everybody wins 60 and loses 60 . It's what you do with the other 42 that makes a difference.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 15, 2014 -> 07:02 PM) I enjoy hearing from both sides. Traditional and saber/ new age baseball philosophy brings a healthy and interesting aspect to discussing baseball. Oh I agree . In the Predict the next move thread I did my own WAR calculations for the lineup before the big trades for Shark and Robertson went down when a poster said the additions so far hadn't caused him to "dream" like KW said The conclusion I came to was the next signings that would enable him to "dream" wouldn't be in the lineup but a RH starting pitcher and a closer. Next thing you know BAM, the Shark and Robertson deals happened. That is the baseball talk I prefer.

If you want one cheap buy it from a Cubs fan . Add some alterations to it to make it unique like change the pinstripes from blue to black and find a JAWS, Notre Dame and Sox patches to stick/sew on it . Or use a San Jose SHarks emblem cut out the hockey stick in it's mouth and replace it with a baseball bat. There u go unique as hell.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 15, 2014 -> 06:49 PM) /Hawk Did they put TWTW in those sims ?

Like that you're thinking big Lillian. However there's a reason Hahn han't traded Montas ,Danish and Adams. Of course there's also Rodon. That 2-4 year window is right when we should get some idea if Rodon , Montas Danish and Adams will amount to quality starting pitchers . Those guys are the Sox best hope at continuing on a winning path without breaking the bank.

All you guys take the fun out of being a baseball fan, My team did all it could in a short period of time to get a lot better. I will impatiently wait for spring training and wildly cheer for my team. I don't care about what Steamer, Zips or Gladys Knight and the Pips say about the Sox. The only projection I care about is that spring is the time for optimism. What were all those projection systems and scouts saying about how Abreu would perform in his rookie season ? And guess who nailed it ? I did . A little bit of optimism combined with common sense and good health projects the Sox to be much better, which was the point of signings. I will let it unfold and enjoy it until the Sox are eliminated wether it's in the regular season or the playoffs. I don't need a computer simulation or 2 years of calculus to help me root root root for the White Sox.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 15, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) Cubs have 12/1 odds with 4 proven players on their team lol Aren't odds partially based on what kind of money is being bet on them ? If so that means there's just a lot of Cubs fans throwing money around.