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Yeah I'm just thinking Cano as being a nothing burger with the young talent coming back as keys to that trade along with solving some problem areas without counting on Cano to provide anything .

It would be a much bigger trade than just those 2. What if the Sox also could get Nimmo for a yr., McNeil for 3yrs. ,Nido for 3 yrs and a top 100 prospect from the Mets along with Cano ?

McNeil can also play RF and Nimmo has only a yr. left on his contract. Mets need pitching and want salary relief . Cano would be a non factor in the trade since it's only to give the Mets CBT space for this yr and next yr. They'd have to take Keuchel and give up decent talent (Nimmo, McNeil.Nido Mauricio or other prospect) if they are truly serious about shedding salary. Besides Keuchel the Sox can give up Collins and or Engel . Enegl and McNeil both 30 and making just about the same salary. We wouldnt need Engel with McNeil and Nimmo.

I thought it was a pretty even trade but only if the Mets are serious about shedding some salary and winning now. It does leave plenty of trade capital to trade for pitching. The only problem I see for the Sox with this trade is next yrs payroll. But it brings in a lot of talent.

Cano wouldn't be the focus of the trade anyway .Getting good talent along with Cano would be. If the Mets are really serious about saving money they have to give up a lot more than McNeil to rid themselves of Cano.

The Cano salary is huge $48M in salary but 41M for the next 2 yrs against the cap if that translates from the Mets to the Sox They'd have to take one of either Keuchel or Kimbrel ,give up McNeil , 1yr of Nimmo ( FA next yr.) or both and a very good Minor Leaguer of which they plenty . That saves the Mets money this year and a lot next yr. once the Keuchel or Kimbrel contracts end. McNeil is a late bloomer who isn't a FA until 2025 but is already 30.

But the thing about trading for under performing but usually solid guys who have a bad 1st half is that they usually have good 2nd halves of the season. It's the nature of the game. Good 1st half ,bad 2nd half and vice versa when you are talking about aging or usually solid but unspectacular players.

Looking more and more like SP help when it comes, will be in a trade. I already solved RF for a yr. backup catcher and upgraded the farm by trading with the Mets without giving up anything but Keuchel and Collins and taking on Cano's contract. Still have good bullet's left for a SP trade.

Depends on how badly the Mets want to save money. Giving up on 1 yr of Nimmo isn't so bad along with a top prospect when they have lots of them. They want to win now too but need salary room .Saving money this year and next year would be huge for them especially next yr without Cano or the choice of Keuchel and Kimbrel. Plus I like the Nimmo. Nido, Cano and Mauricio all end with O. O what a good trade !

I still think the Sox can make a good deal with the Mets. They have 5 or 6 good prospects and need to rid themselves of the Cano contract . Cano contract is $24M but $20,250M adjusted against the Luxury Tax and the same for 2023. Keuchel is $18M Kimbrel $16M Nimmo is $6M and he's a Free Agent Next year McNeil is 30 yrs old $2.5M and isn't a free agent til 2025 Catcher Thomas Nido is 28YO $1M for 2022 not a free agent til 2025 Then the Mets have some really good prospects between AA and AAA Francisco Alvarez C AA, Ronny Mauricio SS AA, Brett Baty 3B AA, Mark Vientos 3B/LF AAA https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/these-5-mets-prospects-made-the-athletics-top-100-list The Mets want to shed salary and the Sox have some room but how much they are willing to spend is unknown The Sox could take on Cano's salary while giving up Keuchel or Kimbrel. That saves the Mets between$2-$4M against the CBT for 22. If they give up Nimmo that's another $6M If they Add Nido that's another $1M. Mets could replace Nido with Collins Taking on Nimmo,Cano, and Nido contracts only adds between $9-11M to the Sox payroll for 2022 LH RF is solved for 1 year so then there's the matter of being compensated for that extra year of Cano for 2023. That's where either McNeil or a real nice prospect like Mauricio fits in.McNeil is a nice fit for us but is 30 but saves the Mets another $2.5M this year. But would they give up 2 LH guys who are expected to play key roles ? Doubtful. I'm thinking a top prospect like Mauricio is better payment for that extra year of Cano. So it basically ends of being Keuchel or Kimbrel and Collins for Nimmo, Nido, Cano and Mauricio. Looking at it the Sox get the best player in Nimmo but only for a year, take on a bad contract and get rid of one of our bad contracts. The Sox get a great prospect while the Mets save money this year and next year without the Cano contract, lots of years with Collins and get either their choice of Kimbrel or Keuchel for only 1 yr.

Now if you want to part with McNeil, Nimmo, McCann and prospect Ronny Mauricio and get back Keuchel, Kimbrel ,Lopez, Collins and whoever else maybe the Sox take on the Cano deal. Then all we need is starting pitching. RF and 2nd base solved along with 2 good lefties. I haven't done enough research to figure out if the Sox could take on the multiyear contracts of McCann and Cano while only giving up Kimbrel and Keuchels salary's so maybe throw JD Davis or Thomas Nido in place of McCann since things will look ugly in 2023 and 2024 with both the McCann and Cano contracts on the books.

Ahh ok but I find it odd that when you look at the Mets idea of shedding salary among position players the names thrown around are guys not making much like JD Davis and McNeil. The higher paid position players they have are the guys they just signed like Marte and Canha and the burdensome contract of Cano. I don't see how they can shed much salary among those 3. unless they find a sucker for Cano or trade Lindor or McCann.

Well he was a pitcher and knows the Sox have some groundball pitchers and are targeting another GB pitcher with Kelly. The Sox have tunnel vision with these type of relievers. A doubleplay is a pitcher's best friend.

He's not wrong. Rodon at his best puts you over the top which is why SF took the leap.

If you look up the salary of Keuchel and McNeil plus throw in $10M Sox save about $6M. This is my best guess based on looking at their salaries yesterday but not confirming them today.

Because top guys cost way more and sign for many years. If you can get a top guy for one great year and only sign him for 2 years $44M is nothing. Some teams are just not as risk adverse. Winning is more important. You're also thinking he get's injured for both years and with that thinking yes that contract would suck. Now with those innings under his belt from last year he's more likely to go a full season. He wasn't injured last year and his pitching showed that any previous injuries weren't a cause for concern. They also think that because of the mechanical changes last year with Katz that he might be less of an injury risk.

I think Robinson Cano and his massive salary for this year and next tops that list.

From people who have been carrying buckets for the FO since the QO wasn't offered. There just had to be a good reason because the Sox FO, after all, had more info than we did. All those people who thought he was injured not just tired.

Every year there are tons of injury wild cards. The Sox are loaded with them as are most every team. I don't see an angry tone except to say ,did the Sox FO really do what was best for the team ? Why give up a draft choice ? Even if you weren't sure a comp pick would exist next year you have to assume it would be. You don't just throw away high draft picks. Never give the Sox FO the benefit of the doubt on making the right moves even if it seems like a no brainer.

Hey you know how the Sox are relief pitcher happy. Maybe if they got a bug up their ass about getting into the Japanese market again you can get Kikuchi and Suzuki.

Yeah I guess they are smarter than SF FO .

Planning to corner the market on relief pitchers.

There aren't a whole lot of veteran pitchers who aren't damaged goods and even less coming of a pretty good year who gutted it out for his team despite the tired arm but uninjured arm. Lots of people round here want to trade for Bassitt and look at his health record of the past 6 yrs. One guy here thinks Rodon was a terrible idea while thinking at the same time Kopech is going to be the Ace this year. Kopech will be treated the way Rodon should have been treated last year, 5 innings max and out of the game. They won't take a chance of him running out of gas for the playoffs if the Sox can make the playoffs I' guessing 100 innings for the season and whatever he has left saved for the post season . Good luck Los . If the Sox don't make it to the World Series I hope San Fran does and you get to pitch in it and lead them to victory !

Probably so but the contract Rodon gets will tell us one way or another what teams think of his meds, his medical history and how confident they are that his mechanics are much improved based on his work with Katz.

Sure once he was resigned it was. But what if he didn't resign ? Then you lose Rodon and Lynn and your starting pitching going into the most important years of the window isn't playoff caliber or might not even get you to the playoffs.