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Lindstrom pitched 1 inning gave up a HBP ,walk, double play and RBI single.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 12:16 PM) Saladino put up a 140 wRC+ at A, 144 at A+ and just did 134 at AAA. The best Leury ever did above rookie-ball was 104. Otherwise it's a bunch of 60s 70s and 80s. Saladino has also had markedly better plate discipline everywhere, which quite strongly correlates to eventual MLB performance. There's a substantial difference between their bats. Either way, I'm not even arguing Saladino is a starter. I'm arguing he's more likely to contribute positive value as a bench piece. Apart from generally being a better bat, he crushes lefties. We have a third baseman who destroys righties and can't hit lefties. Just face it Leury is better . You know why ? Because he didn't get injured at the worst possible time for his career. Luck trumps all. You lose

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) Yeah it Sucks. And it goes back to last year with Rios, Crain etc. And this year's possible trade pieces like Jones going down before building that 1st-year-closer value. The team has had horrible luck and timing, on top of some bad choices and frightening performances from the group of guys we'd like to move, and the trade deadline has not yielded as many great chances for improvement as they may have needed. RH will need to get creative. And creative in this instance means spend some money because if he keeps hoping for miracles it's more of Sale's and Abreu's best years down the tubes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 11:35 AM) Dunn is better because the big mistake the Sox made, bringing back Konerko, has kept him from hitting more often vs. LHP. I was going to say he's not facing lefties as much and yes its because The Mascot is still here but pretty much any RH hitter could've accomplished that .

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) QFT The last post I read was yours before I wrote mine and much to my surprise TUC, Chisoxfn, caulfield and even Wite with his joke about resigning Dunn all pretty much said what I said with minor differences. Everyone sucked balls but unlike TUC I think Dunn has been better this year than any of the previous yrs. Of course , he needs a new contract so maybe he's trying a little bit harder so I'm not as disappointed with him as I am all the other suckees. I also think moving Danks isn't all that important. He's still got multiple years on that contract and teams just don't bite on that any more unless you're near elite level. So might as well keep him starting and maybe through some miracle he re-establishes himself. Sierra, Wilkins, Semien, Micah, Sanchez bring em on and let's get this party started !

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 07:17 AM) I'm disappointed that Hahn didn't pull some magical s*** out of a hat, but I'm not surprised at all. We didn't have anything good to sell except Alexei, and there aren't any contenders that need a SS. If there's something to be disappointed about, it's that all of the guys that could have been good pieces had horrible seasons. But it's not all bad -- we do have good players, after all, it's just that we've done a good job at locking them up contractually so that they AREN'T trade bait. I forget which podcast I was listening to, but the speaker was making an argument that it was a very weak buyer's market by listing the types of guys that were realistically available, team by team. When he got to the White Sox, he said, "You can have any White Sock (sic) you want -- except the good ones." And I think there's a lot of truth in that. I remember writing that Hahn had the easy part of the rebuild done. He traded pieces that had value for other younger pieces that had value. The hard part was always going to be finishing the job. Hahn badly needed Beckham to show he had value , same goes for Paulino, De Aza, Viciedo and Davidson but they all failed and he couldn't trade any value without just creating another hole. All he can do now is hope that some of these guys show some value real soon . He might as well keep Danks but I'm pretty sure he'll be looking to save as much money as he can on Dunn's salary if he can find a taker. Beckham might as well keep being Beckham so it'll be easier to dispose of him and not give us any false hope. Sierra will probably be seeing a lot more AB's now since Viciedo and De Aza wet the bed in order to see if he can fill a hole.Get DUnn gone and hope Wilkins hits the crap out of the ball for the rest of the season or ,God forbid ,signing Dunn again might be on the horizon.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) Deleted that post to avoid any confusion. Twitter and its lousy fake accounts. Ha funny how that turned out. Price is going to Detroit just without Zobrist. See what happens when you delete my post

On the bright side Abreu is now at .303 with his 2/2 day.

Back to back HR's by Hunter and JD Martinez has Detroit ahead 4-3.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) LOL. Are you adding their numbers together? Gordon Beckham sucks. If there's a platoon, it should be with Marcus Semien and Conor...and then a real MLB starting 2B. He's doing it was both players splits. Conor against a righty is .360 .417 .522 .939

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:04 AM) That's from a fake account I got that from MLB network so they must've been duped.

I wonder how strongly the Sox are interested in Yasmani Tomas the 23 yr old Cuban outfielder who some compare to Dayan Viciedo. He won't be as inexpensive though. Estimates range in the $30-40M range anywhere from 4-7 yrs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:06 AM) thanks Just google Clay Davenport Jose Abreu and you will find all kinds of pre-signed articles about Jose Abreu.

I wonder if he was lifting weights under someones supervision at the time it happened.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) AL July OPS: Abreu 1.064 Hosmer 1.044 Carter 1.043 Santana 1.043 Machado 1.041 AL July HR: Carter 8 Santana 8 Abreu 6 Ortiz 6 Beltre 6 Gardner 6 Trout 6 AL July RBI: Ortiz 25 Hunter 22 Abreu 19 Carter 19 Santana 18 Thanks how about batting average ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) I'm here to tell you guys that neither Guillen, nor Ventura, manage the bullpen. It is Don Freaking Cooper who manages the entire pitching staff. This team always had defined roles up until this year, when it just so happened that everyone was either hurt, or really sucky. The differences you are seeing this year are 100% related to the roster, and nothing to do with Ventura managing a pitching staff. Which is why I never mention the bullpen when I say Robin is a less than adequate manager. And after reading all the other opinions I will say he's not a bad manager but a poor tactician since its more accurate. There's a ton of things Robin does good as well as poor. After all there isn't going to be any threads about how great a manager is even if you could fine one who makes all the right tactical decisions.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 10:02 PM) That was so fantastically awful it was amazing. I enjoy people who are wordsmithy and punny.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) How about last year when someone posted this: I remember that well. I changed my avatar to a cap with a steak picture on it or something like that and kept it that way for a while. I always liked Conor . I also remember towards the end of last year Conor saying he was figuring things out and being encouraged by that. I stuck up for Conor in the off season when someone suggested the Sox trade for David Freese . Not sure if that was before we got Davidson. Of course it's not like I picked out Conor from all the bad players and focused on him. I had high hopes for Viciedo too just as I do now for Avisail Garcia. Maybe I'm just lucky or its my advanced years of watching players but I've been on the wrong side of popular opinion before. The Adam LaRoche/Derrick Lee debate on here a few years back I was in the minority for choosing LaRoche. Same last year before Abreu there was the Corey Hart/James Loney debate where I took Loney. Remember that time Robin started the season batting Conor 3rd. I liked that too when most were like WTF ??

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:03 AM) Kinda intrigued to see what Bassit brings. I was high on him last year. Did u smoke him , snort him or shoot him up ?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Linstrom is a solid setup man...he's just not a closer. Put in the right position and he would be a welcome addition. The return of Lindstrom, maybe Jones and Avi are probably the reason why the Sox will be pretty quiet before the trade deadline. Those 3 guys are like making trades without making them. Things that happen will probably go down in August.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 07:05 PM) I just love all the comments on MLB's facebook page when they post a video of Abreu. Half of them atleast are comments on how he needs to be tested for PEDs and the other half are just condemning with no evidence. Jealousy is the green monster. And duh idjits players are tested all the time.

Detroit sucks.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:30 AM) Isn't that true of literally every player in the MLB, though? It is but thats not the point. I'm willing to give him some rope I'm arguing with those who think he is what he is. And he very well probably is but even if he does hit well the rest of the season there will still be those guys saying it's a fluke.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:42 AM) So you are basically saying, in hindsight, if it doesn't work out, Robin should be criticized, because he had to do something wrong. I had no problem with the moves he made. I do find it funny people who thought Tyler Flowers needed to be relieved of his job a week or so ago, now complain he wasn't used to pinch hit, and automatically assume if he pinch hit, he would have succeeded. I'm sure if Robin did what they now said he was supposed to do and pinch hit either Sierra or Flowers and they rolled into a DP, he would have been an idiot as well. There was posts criticizing him for removing Carroll, and the crap where if he went out to the mound to see them take Beli's rubber band off would have made it a whole lot better is beyond laughable. Why do you always put word in people mouths ? Yea Tyler sucked 2 weeks ago and people wanted him gone. But now he was hot so there's nothing wrong or funny about wanting him to PH NOW not 2 weeks ago. You paint everyone with the same broad brushstrokes. The people condemning Robin don't do it based on results at least the more knowledgeable ones don't. They do it based on playing the odds or percentages of success and failure . If Flowers or Sierra had pinch hit and had the same result as De Aza or even worst at least he made the right move for that particular situation. The outcome is irrelevant. no one is assuming Tyler or Sierra would've succeeded in that situation. That is just you arguing against yourself telling us what others would have done as usual. Again the manager should be out there to survey the situation when his pitcher gets f***ed with. No one is saying Bellasario would have pitched better if he had. Again that is on you.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:23 AM) So Robin is the worst manager ever because he didn't save Moises Sierra for a pinch hitting situation. Moises Sierra, who has a 47 wRC+ this season, 60 wRC+ against lefties. De Aza is having a really bad year, but in his career vs. lefties he has an 85 wRC+. Was Sierra a better choice? Maybe, but you could argue either way. Regardless, it sounds like the difference between fighting a bear using a spork or a toothpick. Given the relatively even odds of failure with each batter at the plate, is it not at least defensible to at least make sure the runner on second would score on a base hit? At least there's a significant difference between Sierra and Konerko on the basepaths -- I'm not sure there really was one between De Aza and Sierra at the plate. At the end of the day, the team had a runner on third with no outs and couldn't manage to tie the game. A complete failure of the players on the field. Hey just because someone at the beginning of the thread said worst manager ever do not apply it to everyone else who thinks Robin isn't a good manager. Also don't throw out a stat that some of us still don't comprehend fully like wRC+. I do know Sierra was at .233 against RH's and De Aza .083 this year. The last thing the Sox needed out of De Aza was a K or DP . The RH vs LH match up at least cuts down on the K odds.The only thing you need to know is THIS YEAR not career De Aza sucked against LH's . Of course Sierra or Flowers was a better choice. There is no MAYBE about it. The significant difference you talk about between Sierra and Konerko doesn't even matter if Leury does not score 1st. Increase the odds of Leury scoring is the numero uno priority in that situation. I am not going to take up the cross for the anti Robin guys here. I think most of them are reasonable and objective with their opinions and not looking to blame Robin but just observing the game as it happens. Robin's job is to increase the odds of success and lessen the odds of failure. He made good moves last night but also bad or if you prefer questionable ones.