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QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) Francona is seriously a possibility ... Very true, we almost had him in the waybackswhen.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) I don't think Atlanta's guy should be fired. First year manager, young team, team simply refused to make the moves they needed to be competitive down the stretch (3rd worst offense in the NL in September). Francona...I think he's gone for this. I think he's gone too, but all of his pitchers were equally awful in september.

Paul Konerko is so awesome.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) Be sure to stop-by to pick-up your mustard and teal 2012 Marlins gear -- limited supplies available. That is just hideous Oh my god.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) That's the hard part of 2012. The results have sucked this year and we still put about a.500 team on the field. If you can get career normal years out of guys like Peavy, Rios, and Dunn, you have a playoff team in the making. It was the worst .500 team i've ever watched. Even our surge to .500 was boring, let alone the tip toe-ing around it for the last 4 months before finally pulling a rexy against the tigers..."f*** it!!"

I see the sentiment is that we weren't supposed to celebrate. But upon hearing the news, my roommates and I broke open our bottle of Pappy Van Winkle and took a sip to wash down the last 3 awful, no good years. I'm anxious that white sox baseball could be a step up from god awful to mildly entertaining next year.

Guys, this team is resilient! Well be at .500 in no time. Go Ozzie!

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 5, 2011 -> 06:23 AM) We want no LaRussa because he's boring and he's been here before? I'd welcome a guy who manages the game strategically, orders a hit out if one of his guys gets hit, and actually knows how to manage. He has his flaws as any manager outside of Madden does, but he knows what the hell he's doing for the most part. You saying pick your manager except for LaRussa is like telling a Bears fan to pick their MLB outside of Urlacher(the obvious pick). I know he's people hate him here but in the time I watched him in missouri his teams over achieved, which is an unbelievable idea as a sox fan. A team doing better than expected? Jesus Christ! Amazing!

It's amazing to me in the face of another September when "our fate was in our hands" and we fail miserably, how many people are willing to give our leadership a pass. You all don't want to win as much as being proud of being non confrontational.

Missouri takes their role as a state school seriously. They keep education options open in their state. What you are talking about means nothing except being more selective over students, not educating them. I'll put a Big 10 education up against mine any day. That goes double for Nebraska.

My softball game was canceled too, maybe there is something to this field problem

no way that's true. You think the players are ready to lose a whole years salary?

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) +1 I remember someone posted in a game thread like in the first week of the season that it was gonna be a fun summer and I totally agreed...then Thornton had a meltdown and let the A's score like 4 runs in the 9th and we eventually lost in 10. A whole lot of suck has happened since then and they are a very boring team. the first two games of the season, I was excited for our offense. heh. heh.

didn't krause really love miles? Man, that was an AWFUL draft.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 07:02 PM) It's almost more amusing to think how much outrage there would be against Oney had Mrs. Teahen been as Oney described here. We've talked so much of hyperbole here this summer, and his description was just a "cheap shot" hyperbolic/exaggerated description of her. The reality is in that clubhouse, the woman who's the "7-8.5" on a 10 scale isn't good enough because the way MOST NFL, NBA and MLB players judge women is almost completely superficial. Oney was raised and still seems to be caught up in that "machisimo-driven" Latin American culture, which teaches the men that "men prefer girls who are beautiful (modelos) but brutas (dumb)" and Oney would be challenged by any relationship with a woman who's educated, confident, strong, athletic and well-rounded. That's the kind of woman that's harder for someone like him to dominate and control. What would be even more interesting would be to see how Oney reacted to criticism of his "groupies" or girlfriend/s. And the way Oney thinks, unfortunately, is pretty common. It's just rare to see it articulated. Just watch all the groupies and "trophy wives" in the players' boxes and you'll notice that quite a few of them are out of the same cookie-cutter mold. or you could look at posts on soxtalk

Yes, this deal will probably hurt the recession, not as much as default, however. But my point is that narrative stood less of a chance if liberals didn't repeatedly remove themselves out of the process. What did you think was going to happen when they didn't vote in 2010, at all, and a wave of "the debt will kill us all" came in? Liberals don't organize unless they are in the minority, but they'll only put in enough work to get into the majority and then stop doing ANYTHING worth a damn.

That's nonsense. You need to realize that people ARE concerned about the deficits. There's a reason the republicans got so much traction with it. But they didn't end the welfare state. They got some discretionary cuts, bfd. There was a hell of a lot done for the progressive cause recently and in this administration. But liberals won't even remember DADT as progress, or DOJ not backing the DOMA, or lily ledbetter, or ACA as soon as they pass. They'll rightfully move on and want more, but suicidally will give up any ground they gave up in exchange for someone who could promise everything and get absolutely nothing.

You should poll their base and see what they identify as, then convince yourself that they are liberal.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) I think Balta's point is that whether she is attractive or not has nothing to do with it. Even if she was not what most people consider to be an attractive woman, Oney's statements would still be incredibly offensive and inappropriate. thank you

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) It would legitimize it as a valid viewpoint in healthcare discourse. Republicans always propose far-right ideas that make center-right ideas look centrist or moderate in comparison. When nobody argues for single-payer, then public exchanges get held up as an idea of crazy far-left socialist Marxists. On the flipside, it could have prolonged the health care debate to a length where it couldn't have passed. It took long enough to go from public option to no public option to the point of near fallout, before this bill was finally enacted. My main complaint with the healthcare proceedings is they didn't speed it up that summer.

I mean, we didn't need a rucker park performance to know durant is awesome, but the atmosphere is fun to watch.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) You really don't think there's anything more that Obama could have done to press a liberal agenda? edit: "Obama sits on sidelines, gets s*** 'compromise' from conservatives" is kinda the story of his presidency. edit2: Obama actually laid out general policy guidelines in the summer of 2009 for HCR, and it notably did not include single-payer. He could have promoted that idea then. Why not? Are democrats incapable of seeing Republicans succeed repeatedly in pulling discourse to their viewpoints? What do you thinks easier "we want to cut gov't and taxes" or "we want to completely undercut an industry with tens of thousands of american jobs and profits with a incredibly powerful lobbying industry and replace it with a government run insurance program"? That's why the republicans are better at pulling the populace to their right. The "pro-tax" lobbies aren't very strong, they dont' really exist. I'm not saying obama has been perfect, I'm saying this narrative that all he needed to do was negotiate harder is ignorant of the structural issues that have arisen with a rigidly aligned republican party. Rather than blaming the actors we need to start blaming the institutions and start looking for changes, and in the meanwhile putting pressure on the actors with proven-effective means of pulling them left. You guys can do your "I'm going to let a republican get into office and then complain about their outRAGEOUS policies", and i'll try to work within the means of the system to put a more fluid system in place while fighting for progress anywhere I can find it and working hard not to let it go.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Well some NBA players have to past the time. 1st time in legendary Rucker Park for Kevin Durant? Drops 66 points. Here's him going off in the 4th. Longer highlights. awesome

Your premise is wrong. Obama let the legislators legislate (as oppose to Clinton in 1993, and this strategy historically has worked well), and the legislators did not have the votes to get that in the "60 vote" world.

our problems are structural: yglesias background on the "Linzian nightmare" pull: