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QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) Players on the Sox that had a better OPS than Juan Pierre in 2005: The entire starting lineup--yes, even such "heavyweights" as Scottie Pods, Juan Uribe, Arow, and AJ. Enough really can't be said about how bad Juan was last year at the plate. Juan Pierre, Career Splits: .305 .355 .375 .730 Arow, Career Splits: .283 .337 .451 .788 Both players are the same age. Now, Arow is generally noted as a good but not great CF with an average arm. Juan is a average fielder with a below average arm, kinda like scottie pods, actually, alot like scottie pods. Why would we trade anything for Pierre? Please tell me, we already have a Juan Pierre clone in Scottie Pods, we need a number 2 hitter with a little bit of Pop for crying out loud. It's hard for me to see Juan Pierre setting the table with a career OPS ops of .730, especially considering that he has played half his career in Coors Field. Throw in the fact that NL pitching is weaker than AL pitching, and Juan is almost certainly not going to have anything close to a productive year in CF. He is a freakin leadoff hitter. Why the crunk do you care about his slugging percentage?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) Did I miss something or is Ryan Sweeney pitching in that sig??? He pitched in high school.

Hehe. Definitely sour grapes.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) Well if the Yanks make that deal, its a very good one from there perspective. Proctor is a loser and I will never understand why there hyped up prospects get so much love. In perspective, I don't think Proctor is any better than Arnie Munoz. I can't speak much of the other prospect, but I'm sure he's not better than Sean Tracey as a prospect. If someone told me Sean Tracey and Arnie Munoz would have gotten Juan Pierre, I probably would have been pretty willing to pull the trigger. All that said, I really am not at a loss and considering I was thinking one of our young Of's was gonna be gone for Pierre, I'm kind of happy that we'll be focusing on another CF. I just hope its a good one we find. Here's a question, does anyone think the Sox will be crazy enough to try to put Erstad back in CF. When he's there is a stud defensively and while he's overpaid, I don't think you'd have to give up much in terms of talent. I know his numbers aren't the greatest, but he's a good all around player that would definately fit in the 2 hole. Kenny is the type of gm to think outside the box but I highly doubt you see Erstad here. It does sound like the Angels were planning on moving him back to cf if they signed paul, do you think he can handle cf right now or do you think he'll be back on the dl every two weeks if he's moved back there?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) I've learned to tune Ozzie out on some things. That's probably the best way at going about ozzie's comments. Half the time ozzie doesnt even know what he's saying.

Smart

Meh, not that big of a deal. He's just saying that Iguchi is for sure getting moved down whether it's Juan or an outside option.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) The Marlins offered Juan Pierre to the Yankees for pitchers Sean Henn and Scott Proctor, according to the New York Post. Supposedly, the Yankees are thinking about it. We'd be shocked if the Marlins couldn't get more than this from another team, if not the Cubs than maybe the Rangers or Mariners. Neither Henn nor Proctor qualifies as a building block. Hmm.... Go to school.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) I doubt Kenny made any real effort to try to call Frank and work something out. He was probably counting down the days till he could get rid of Frank. I know this has been said in this thread but it just pisses me off. I would be interested to see Reinsdorf's reaction to the Frank situation. Give me a break.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=53976 I really feel bad for the Fish fans right now. Yes, I know, they have no fans that support them, but this group of a couple thousand do support them, and live and die by the Fish just like we do for the Sox. No doubt, this s*** has to be hard as hell on the diehards.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) This was a better move than trading for Alfonso Soriano though Agree completely there.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) My god. The Marlins are going down the drain. Do they trade Willis now or do they build around him? Willis and Cabrera are the only safe one's.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) Solid move for them IMO. Stewart and Castillo 1-2 is going to an annyoing punch at the top of there lineup. QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) That sucks. He's a good pickup. Agreed and agreed. The good thing is they still have no punch in the heart of their order.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:19 PM) With the workload the top four pitched last year, my thoughts are that they think some guys will hit the DL. Also Garland could be traded if he is not locked up long term. I think the 6 starters will all be needed next year. Especially with the stupid world thing. Garland isn't going anywhere.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 02:28 AM) How about in Dallas with the traveling call on Duncan at the end lol He got f***in mugged. That was absolutely ridiculous.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) I don't know except what I read... But from what I read they are both equal on defense, but Young has better speed and more power... plus Anderson is more fragile... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which one projects to be the better player... Well good thing we can base defensive ability on things we've read. I'm sure people are going to take your opinion seriously when you say you dont follow the minor leagues at all but when you're trying to make a case for a player you like or don't like well then of course you know everything about these minor leaguers.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:06 PM) Anderson/Young>>>>Pierre>Owens for CF next year... This coming from a person who says he doesnt follow the minors at all. Hmm....

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:06 PM) And they won't be next year? The yankees werent even the ones who set the market for mediocre pitchers, it was the Mets with Benson. With the way teams are overpaying for pitching as of late there is no doubt that Jon makes atleast 10 if he hits free agency.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) Come on people, Jon Garland is not going to be more than a $10 mil pitcher, and he's really going to have to kick some ass to get that. You need to ignore this year's FA market because it's abnormally thin and there is a lot more money to throw around than most years. He's not going to have as much demand as several of the other starters because he's not a strikeout pitcher and he's been historically mediocre. Even considering the other players available that are like him, his resume and reputation is much weaker than that of guys like Pettitte, Zito, and Mulder. The general consensus around the league seems to be that this year was a fluke and he'll go back to his old self next year. The guy has one good season in his 6th year in the majors, his 4th as a full time starter, and suddenly he's the second coming? He wasn't even that dominant, and someone is supposed to pay him like he's Pedro Martinez or Johan Santana? I can't even come up with 10 teams that he would be the unquestioned ace on right now. This is just like the Konerko situation, with everyone panicking that he's going to be on another team on a ridiculous deal like 6/100. Let's drop our Sox bias for a second and objectively look at him. He's a young pitcher (although he'll be 27 when he's a FA, which isn't all that young) without elite stuff that has had one good but not great year in his major league career, maybe two years by the this time next year. And he's going to get $12 mil a year for 5 years or more? Please. Just relax and let things happen, don't panick about what you think might happen if some GM has a brain fart. It's not just this years market it was last years as well. Milton, Wright, Pavano, Benson, Radke, Clement, and there are probably a few more I cant think of right now got around 7.5 million in last years market. JG would be atleast a 10 mill per year pitcher if he hits the open market next offseason.

QUOTE(timotime @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 11:17 AM) HUGE mistake Um.. no. Flash has proved time and time again that's he's a very good closer. The 3 year contract is nuts for a 38 year old but he'll be a fine closer for them this year.

First off, Pierre has had 4 really good seasons out of six so lets not make things up now. Second, Chris Young is the one your thinking of with the highest ceiling out of all the of prospects in our system.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 10:31 AM) Here is something I found interesting on Ben Maller...One local report Thursday indicated the ChiSox might be willing to trade second baseman Tadahito Iguchi to the Marlins in exchange for Marlins counterpart Luis Castillo. Posted December 2, by Ben Maller It was a suntimes writer. It's bull.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 09:11 AM) WOW 6 mill/ year for a setup man? Not even a closer is worth that. Unless he is Mariano Rivera or a 100% healthy Gagne. Whats with the inflation in price for relievers? He's going to close for them.

You don't trade Jon Garland unless you're getting a top of the rotation starter. Brandon Webb is that but there is no reason at all why Arizona would trade Webb. Burnett is no where near as good as Garland, he's an asshole, and would cost a crap load of money over a lot of years. Try winning another series this year and the Garland situation will sort itself out. I'm not panicking that he turned down the Sox first contract offer, it's all negotiating.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 01:33 AM) No more ridiculous than 'creaming' over an undersized Class A pitcher that can't seem to stay healthy. I absolutely loved the trade and like I said I believe Gio is very hit or miss here, however Jeckle is basically dismissing him because he's a minor leaguer. Every single major leaguer had to be in the minors some time. If you don't think he's going to make it then that's absolutely fine and to be honest there is a good shot Gio never does make it but his reasoning behind it is ridiculous.