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QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) Come on people, Jon Garland is not going to be more than a $10 mil pitcher, and he's really going to have to kick some ass to get that. You need to ignore this year's FA market because it's abnormally thin and there is a lot more money to throw around than most years. He's not going to have as much demand as several of the other starters because he's not a strikeout pitcher and he's been historically mediocre. Even considering the other players available that are like him, his resume and reputation is much weaker than that of guys like Pettitte, Zito, and Mulder. The general consensus around the league seems to be that this year was a fluke and he'll go back to his old self next year. The guy has one good season in his 6th year in the majors, his 4th as a full time starter, and suddenly he's the second coming? He wasn't even that dominant, and someone is supposed to pay him like he's Pedro Martinez or Johan Santana? I can't even come up with 10 teams that he would be the unquestioned ace on right now. This is just like the Konerko situation, with everyone panicking that he's going to be on another team on a ridiculous deal like 6/100. Let's drop our Sox bias for a second and objectively look at him. He's a young pitcher (although he'll be 27 when he's a FA, which isn't all that young) without elite stuff that has had one good but not great year in his major league career, maybe two years by the this time next year. And he's going to get $12 mil a year for 5 years or more? Please. Just relax and let things happen, don't panick about what you think might happen if some GM has a brain fart. It's not just this years market it was last years as well. Milton, Wright, Pavano, Benson, Radke, Clement, and there are probably a few more I cant think of right now got around 7.5 million in last years market. JG would be atleast a 10 mill per year pitcher if he hits the open market next offseason.

QUOTE(timotime @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 11:17 AM) HUGE mistake Um.. no. Flash has proved time and time again that's he's a very good closer. The 3 year contract is nuts for a 38 year old but he'll be a fine closer for them this year.

First off, Pierre has had 4 really good seasons out of six so lets not make things up now. Second, Chris Young is the one your thinking of with the highest ceiling out of all the of prospects in our system.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 10:31 AM) Here is something I found interesting on Ben Maller...One local report Thursday indicated the ChiSox might be willing to trade second baseman Tadahito Iguchi to the Marlins in exchange for Marlins counterpart Luis Castillo. Posted December 2, by Ben Maller It was a suntimes writer. It's bull.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 09:11 AM) WOW 6 mill/ year for a setup man? Not even a closer is worth that. Unless he is Mariano Rivera or a 100% healthy Gagne. Whats with the inflation in price for relievers? He's going to close for them.

You don't trade Jon Garland unless you're getting a top of the rotation starter. Brandon Webb is that but there is no reason at all why Arizona would trade Webb. Burnett is no where near as good as Garland, he's an asshole, and would cost a crap load of money over a lot of years. Try winning another series this year and the Garland situation will sort itself out. I'm not panicking that he turned down the Sox first contract offer, it's all negotiating.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 01:33 AM) No more ridiculous than 'creaming' over an undersized Class A pitcher that can't seem to stay healthy. I absolutely loved the trade and like I said I believe Gio is very hit or miss here, however Jeckle is basically dismissing him because he's a minor leaguer. Every single major leaguer had to be in the minors some time. If you don't think he's going to make it then that's absolutely fine and to be honest there is a good shot Gio never does make it but his reasoning behind it is ridiculous.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:44 AM) i meant 2004. I should've wrote that. Anybody who thinks Prior or Zambrano could be anything more than a #5 starter on this team right now is delusional. If we're going back to 04 then Zambrano's era was well over a run lower then Maddux's.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) Last year he led the Cubs in wins? Zambrano led the cubs in wins last season.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) who led the Cubs in innings? Last year he led the Cubs in wins? He also started the most games for the cubs? He doesn't let his emotions get the best of him? If i had game 7 of the world series and i could pick anyone of those pitchers it would be Maddux. Also what has Prior done besides 2003? He is living off the hype. His ERA was very high for an NL ACE. He also had that habit of throwing 100 pitches in 5 innings which meant he couldn't go deep into games. Lets see..Maddux outpitched Zambrano by a whole 2 innings and Zambrano's era was around a whole run lower. Um..ya.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) Zambrano's their best pitcher, and it's not even close. ^

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 2, 2005 -> 12:23 AM) Right now Maddux is their best pitcher on that staff. How about NO.

Ozzie has no clue what's going on right now. "McCarthy should be a starter," said Guillen, referring to the ideal situation for the young right-hander. "But I don't know exactly what we are going to do."

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:12 PM) I want to punch that website in the face right now.... I can hear it now.. "But Young strikes out a lot"... "But Cotts walks too many people" The only thing that makes me angrier is this 30-something page thread. Then stop posting in it.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:07 PM) .231/.301/.360 The collective batting line allowed this season by the pitchers Brian Anderson faced. In short, he saw nothing but all-star pitchers. How the hell did you figure that out?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 10:40 PM) I miss OTL. ^ I guess that show wasn't mtv enough for them. I wish they'd still show full episodes of that and not just on the trifecta. That's another thing I hate about espn, the f***in trifecta sucks.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:23 PM) WTF happend to SportsPage Live @ 9 on CLTV. Even though it sucked I watched it loyally. WHERE DID IT GO? It's gone?

Not happening.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) As a LH hitter, if he were to drag bunt, the ball is more likely to get past the pitcher on turf than it is on grass Personally...I think Castillo would rake in the Metrodome. You saw how much Cristian Guzman's stats were affected by going from Minnesota to Washington...I think you will see the same type of pattern with Castillo, due to the two of them being very similar hitters. Similar types of hitters, don't call Castillo a similar hitter to Guzman, that isn't fair.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:35 PM) That is pretty messed up Steff. Honestly, it is not your business but it was definitely right of you to be concerned. Unfit parents is all that is. I think it's everybodies business when someone is treating a child that way. Anyways, steff that's a very tough situation to react to. You almost have to train yourself to be prepaired for a situation like that, if that makes any sense. I think a lot of people would have done what you did and just froze, I think that's the normal reaction to something like that.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) That's what I was thinking but Kenny seemed pretty confident that he would be able to re-sign Konerko. He did, but he's smart enough to know you always need a backup plan, so he probably had a deal on the table for Giles just in case.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) Nope, I am SURE he said White Sox. Well then, I know Kenny said at his conference call yesterday that they were in the midst of exploring other avenues in case Paul left, that would be the other avenue most likely.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) Wow, that wouldn't make much sense unless VAfan was right! Maybe the Sox did want Giles in LF, Podsednik in CF, and Dye in RF. Or, SF1 misheard and they said Red Sox. That would be my guess.

QUOTE(VenomSox @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) No MVP (MLB) this year right Correct. A college mvp game instead.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) How many times have you seen him play? I find it very hard to believe that he won't thrive in Duke's system. He has everything god, I mean coach K, is looking for in his 2 guard/SF's. He will do fine at Duke. I've seen him play quite a few times. I have good friends that are good friends with him. I just don't think to highly of him, hopefully I'm wrong.