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QUOTE (That funky motion @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) Game worn Caldaron, KW, Dent or Orta. If that's Ivan Claderon, you are my hero!!! :notworthy :notworthy

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 10:12 AM) 2008 IP to date is 150.3 2007 IP was 139.0 What was the litmus test on acceptable increases to innings pitched before breaking down your pitchers over the long term? Most coaches will use somewhere between 15-25% of the previous season, unless injuries are involved. This has no basis in the research literature and is strictly based on anecdotal evidence from coaches.

Alternate between game worn jerseys of; Warren Newson (black jersey), Wilson Alvarez (white jersey), Roberto Hernandez (gray jersey), and Chris Snopek (green St. Patrick's Day jersey). Hats vary.

QUOTE (Felix @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 09:47 AM) And thats what I edited right after I posted Sorry, I missed that part. I think you get the point though.

QUOTE (Felix @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 09:38 AM) That certainly wasn't my purpose, as I've enjoyed reading these. I apologize if that did happen as a result of me. And I didn't mean to turn it into anything else. However, if I'm reading these things and something is said that clearly isn't true, I'm going to say so. I don't think I did anything out of line, as I thought the whole purpose of these forums was to promote discussion about baseball (and other things). Now if I were to start talking politics in this thread, I could see how it was out of line, but when I was merely talking about the worthiness of saves in a thread about the guy who holds the saves record, which doesn't seem off-topic or out of place at all to me. This is the point they are making. You may think "it is clearly untrue," however other people think otherwise. There are many ways to look at it. Is it arguable, yes, is it clearly untrue or a definitive right answer, no. You can argue it, but don't attack it as if it were fact. As a great philosopher once said, it is true, from a certain point of view

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) By wins, and if a closer doesn't earn a save, it's generally a loss. I like guys who win. Some like guys who put up great stats. To each their own. You'll never win the discussion here with those numbers. I've been saying that wins are the most important number but most just don't seem to agree. Give me the pitcher that wins over the other stats and I'll be perfectly happy.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 07:42 AM) Wise hurt his adductor muscle, the same thing that kept Podsednik in and out of the lineup Typical for "speed" guys. It's the muscle that pulls the trail leg over during the crossover step.

QUOTE (oralsoxpodcast @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 12:33 PM) If Swish continues to be hot and helps us get into the postseason, then yeah. But really you have to look at it big picture. We got a solid player (whose numbers should go up) for a few years at a very reasonable price. We gave up prospects. Who knows how those prospects will turn out, but I'd say it was a good trade. Probably for both teams it was good. I still don't know if I have faith that Swish will continue to swing the hot bat. as your stats show, he hasn't shown any sort of consistency. but he his fun to watch. --Fake Ed Farmer Quote: Did you see who Nick Swisher hip bumped in the dugout? Claude Raines, the invisible man folks. LMAO!!! If you hadn't added the invisible man part, I wonder how many on the board would've gotten that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 09:41 AM) As Costas was signing off on the NBC primetime coverage last night, he said that May/Walsh had the most impressive performance of the day in the Olympics. What a joke....I'd say that 19.30 seconds says otherwise. I agree. There was nothing more impressive in the Olympics than that. A guy that tall and can get out of the blocks the way he does and with that speed. Unbelieveable. I would love to see him run the 400. That stride would really give him an advantage.

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) And scouting is by no means a perfect science... If it was, Albert Pujols would not have been a 13th round draft pick. Well no one knew how much his body would develop in such a short period of time. (except maybe his pharmacist)

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 04:11 PM) I know a guy who does this all the time. Pretty much every job he has had he amazingly gets hurt and collects. They get "special" treatment when I work with them. These people really tick me off.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 18, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) he will give hope to guys who never get into games that they too can get injured. It is the dream of some people to sit home and collect worker's comp. I see many of them in the clinic.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Aug 19, 2008 -> 09:23 AM) we did, didn't we? (and there's no "e" at the end of calderon) No you din't. You need the accent on the the RO in the middle as the PA guy used to say it when he came in the game.. I probably should have put a few more Os in it also. That's what I meant to say. I've never been much aof a splllerr. Salome BaROjas!!!!!

Salome BaROjas (c'mon guys get it right), Marc "Booter" Hill, Donnie Hill, Joel Skinner, Carlos Martinez, Ivan Calderone

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 15, 2008 -> 09:03 AM) Exactly. And it's particularly true when you don't have any picks in the top 15 players each year. After the top 15 it is REALLY a crap shoot. There just aren't too many slam dunk players in the draft. What is really sad is to look at teams who draft high and screw it up. Anybody who wants to amuse themselves should look at the draft history on www.thebaseballcube.com and just click through the year-by-year draft results. It's pretty interesting. It's got a nice summary so you can see which guys made it to MLB. When you look at some of the picks and think about the guys some teams passed up, it's hard to imagine what some of these GMs were thinking. This is so true. Look at the NFL draft which is so much more accurate than the MLB draft and see where the bottom half of the draft stand for success. When you say see what our first round success is, look at where we drafted. Compare our drafts to the Yankees and Red Sox and other teams who are always in the top 2 in the division. Now you may have a more valid comparison.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 07:45 AM) This reminds me of 2006 all over again. Everything KW did was "magical" and the past (Ritchie trade, trading for the wrong "Barry/Berry" with the Dodgers, dumping Durham for Adkins and getting no draft picks back, "Moneyball," etc.) was forgotten. I think KW is an average to above average GM, somewhere between 12-18 in the majors. I try to be pretty objective about the guy...last year, I didn't think he was the worst GM in baseball by a long stretch. I don't think "KW won a World Series, have/did you?" makes every move he has made perfect and unquestionable. I just really hate that kind of logic or argument. Eventually, even the Bulls had to part with Krause, as most realized that it was MJ and Pippen and not the "wizard" GM who was responsible for the team's success. He's a good GM, but not a great one. He's made some super acquisitions, but he's done almost nothing in Latin America or the Pacific Rim, and the White Sox drafting history/success rate has been horrible, especially first rounders. OTOH, the White Sox, I think, are behind only the Yankees and Braves (maybe the Red Sox now too) if you go back and look at organizational winning percentage since around 1990 or 91. Of course, this leads to the other main point for Sox fans....until 2005, lack of success in the playoffs, and letting the Twins, with a much lower budget, get the better of him year after year after year. i think it's also a matter of perspective. My criteria for a good GM is "does his major league team win." Period. I don't care how he attains his players. I don't care if it's in the draft from Latin America or from Mars. Some people like to analyze or over analyze all of the minutia. All that truly matters is how the major league team does under his watch. So far he has 1 world series win, 1 losing season, and a few good seasons along with them. To me that's puts him at least in the top 10.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) Is there any word on who Richard is replacing? Maybe it is Broadway. when is the next time we need a 5th starter? Maybe they will send Broadway down to get regular starts and have Richard as a reliever.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 01:41 PM) Definately couldn't have asked for much more from Broadway today. It really validates Kenny and Ozzie's decision to start him and save Carrasco as the main RHP middle reliever. What??? This is on KW. This guys can't get MLB out with an 80's fastball! This guy has no major league talent! What a bust of a first round pick!!!!! Carrasco should have started!!!!

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 11:52 AM) I thought you guys might find this interesting... From CNN.com There was a good biography about Moe Berg's life. I've read it a few times. It discussed his trips overseas on barnstorming tours and how he collected intelligence. He was the streotypical "he reads too much to be a baseball player" guy. They said his apartment was filled from floor to ceiling with books. It is a good read.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) Kenny and his subordinates have deemed that Poreda isn't ready. If that's really the case, I'd rather keep him in the minors. IIRC, Richard feel victim to the big inning in two of his three starts. Outside of those big innings, he was pretty decent. I agree that Richard may have a decent ML career down the road. I agree. You don't call up pitchers because they are the most talented in the system (which he seems to be). You call them up when you feel they are ready to pitch in the MLB. Posters make reference to Poreda being the "Jenks" for this year. Jenks seemed to be ready and could learn under Hermanson because Politte and Cotts were lights out.. I don't know with the bullpen in this shape if he would learn or get burned. Either way if they don't think he is ready, let him learn in the minors.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 01:36 PM) Just like I said from day one in this thread... That is why you enjoy every victory and forget every defeat. People waste too much time on who is right, and who is wrong.... On who sucks and who is the star. Forget all of the peripheral crap, and enjoy the game of baseball for what it is. You get a lot more out of it that way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I LUUUUV the game of baseball!

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) Assuming it's his left forearm, then this is no big deal. The left forearm numbness that someone mentioned earlier is a distinct possibility. The radial nerve runs very superficial through the radial tunnel on the outside of the forearm. This nerve innervates all of the muscles which extend the wrist. If there was any edema in the area it could easily cause a decrease in the strength of the wrist. This could effect his hitting so it's good to rest him if this is the case. He'll be getting one painful massage to the forearm and elbow that would make him wish he was playing and getting hit again.

I was right with Floyd, Danks, Dye, Fields (although could be just a bad injured year) I was really off on Swisher. I normally don't like trading more than one pitching prospect in any deal, because one usually turns out to be at least servicable. But I agreed with this one and it hasn't turned out well so far. My games won could be close, I think it was 88. Although I did have them finishing second to Cleveland. The cleveland part is way off. We'll see about the second place.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) Hmmm, interesting deal (if it's true, depending on the prospects). Now do they try to sign him in the off-season? They've got Byrnes, Young and Upton in the OF and Conor Jackson at 1B (who's been their best hitter this season IIRC). But Arizona has gone from having the best farm system argubly a year ago, to probably a mediocre one now. They've traded 10 prospects alone for Dan Haren, Jon Rauch and now Adam Dunn. Do you really need an outstanding minor league roster when the MLB team is full of young talent? They have time to re-stock before they need very many MLB players.

His career doesn't sound all that different than DJ Carassco and everyone wants Carassco to start games now. Although German was never released, bought for a dollar and got cut in Japan after 3 appearances. Whose to say German can't turn it around while a little older? Give him a shot. I don't know if he will but who would have thought people would want Carassco to start at this time of the year?