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This seems like the appropriate thread to ask this: Why isn't Hansen in AA yet? What more could be possibly have left to prove at W-S?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 07:48 PM) Kopech is done. 5 IP 6 H 2 R 2 ER 2 BB 4 SO (92 pitches) Great line considering how rough those first two innings were.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) Scouting reports. The fact that he has played more 1B and 2B than 3B this season. He is at BEST a MLB average 3B, and that is if he improves a ton. He is most likely a 1B/DH/RF types that can fill in at 2B and 3B if needed. Getting MLB average defense with a bat like that could equate to an all-star caliber 3B.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I don't know enough about the Royals on a day in and day out basis. But rough overview? I'd say if I'm the Sox I am passing on Cain as he's getting older at age like 31 or 32. He probably can fill a teams needs in the way a Melky does. He has no fit on the Sox or the Royals moving forward. Salvy to Davidson is about as apples to oranges as one can be. Savly is an All-Star catcher. That position doesn't historically produce well so when you get one they are super valuable. how you call a game, your relationships with pitchers, how you catch, frame, etc. Would welcome him on any team. Moose and Hosmer? Hosmer is having a great year. Again this isn't really about other teams. I'd rather be the Royals of 5 years ago and have these guys produce like they are at cheap. When they are becoming FA I think they cost too much compared to what their value is in return. He's a fine player. Not someone I'd want on the Sox at the pricetag hes gonna get. Those are all starters and good players. If the Sox were able to have production out of 4-5 guys like that on their rookie contracts I would be ecstatic. Moose, Hosmer, Salvy were all highly touted guys ... Nicky Delmonico, Yolmer and Saladino and Davidson were not.... The Sox will be more than fine if we have 4-5 of the guys in the minors produce as the royals had ... we can probably pencil in Moncada as a starter. we have Abreu ... now add in 2-4 more and we're cooking. I just don't think the names like Garcia, Sanchez, Davidson, Delmonico are those guys. You need the average level players to fill in though. "Stars and scrubs" is what got the White Sox into this mess in the first place.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) He isn't good at it. Based on...?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) He's not a major league 3B, but I wouldn't hate getting my hands on him. I suggested a Montas - McMahon swap a couple offseasons ago. Obviously that idea has passed, but perhaps do the same type of deal. Rockies will always be looking for pitching, and we have a good deal of minor league pitching. Why is he not a major league 3B?

He's hot at the right time, is there any rumored interest?

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 06:18 PM) Hmmm...when the Sox win, it means they didn't lose. When the Phillies lose, it means they didn't win. It goes both ways, that's why I'd rather follow a Magic Number. The Sox have two more wins and four fewer losses, so three games back, but they have to be worse at the end- so be four games worse than the Phillies the rest of the way for a higher pick. Allow me to clarify. The wins are what matters to the team "controlling its destiny" as it were. The Sox can, theoretically lose all the rest of their games, but they can't win fewer games.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) Phillies lost today. The Sox have four fewer losses. Giants also lost today. The wins are what matters.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 06:01 PM) Another 2 things I would not put together If I were 100% certain the Sox were going to have 11 All-Stars on the 2020 team built from 4 trades + an INTL signing I'd be buying season tickets and rank the rebuild as a 10 Understand =/= agree with. I wholeheartedly disagree with greg's viewpoint, and, as I stated, think his grading is shortsighted and asinine. That said, the concept of his argument is not a difficult one to grasp.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/pitcher-s...ezs-2017-debut/ Good read for those interested in a scouting report for Lopez' debut^ The makings for a solid #3 starting pitcher are there, but he will have to work on throwing inside to right handers, and improving his change/curveball command to keep them down in the zone. The fastball is blistering. The way that article reads, #3 starter seems like a third quartile outcome for him.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) Because while he grades it a 2, he also is 100% certain that the prospects acquired thus far will result in what would be one of the greatest teams in the history of baseball in 2-3 years. Those things cannot be combined together If you're only grading on 2016 results of the major league team, a 2 is reasonable, even with all the talent that is not yet at the ML level. Now, it's completely fair to say that method of grading is shortsighted and asinine, but it's also easy enough to understand.

Why is it so hard for some here to understand greg's argument? He is rating the rebuild process entirely by the on field results of the White Sox. It's extremely short sighted and easy to disagree with (as I do), but it's not that hard to understand that he's rating the rebuild a 2 right now because the 2016 White Sox are 45-70.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 13, 2017 -> 08:32 PM) I'm hoping for about 3 or 4 that could go 1-1. Let's say the Sox scouting likes the #3 ranked prospect, there's a chance at getting their guy underslot because their guy isn't the clear #1. The more options the better for the Sox. If the Sox get 1-1, I'd prefer someone to distinguish themselves to the point where no one questions who the pick is, like Bryce Harper.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 11, 2017 -> 10:33 PM) The prospect of having a few months to ogle over a first spot draft position has me wet. Otherwise, I agree. If the White Sox don't get that spot because Yoan Moncada looks like a future MVP candidate, Rodon, ReyLo, and Gio all show TOR potential, Anderson has a resurgence, and Avi and Leury look like 1st half Avi and Leury (which then makes them both highly marketable assets in the offseason), I'm okay with picking 2 or 3 at that point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 26, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) After the 15-12 start, the Sox have gone 5-13. After the 15-12 start, the Sox have gone 26-56.

Hopefully the Phillies and Giants go on prolonged winning streaks soon.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 05:47 AM) Profar only has plus value at SS or maybe second/CF combo. The only way this would make any sense was Anderson playing the first half of 2017 in Charlotte...flipping Profar at the deadline. Would he have plus value as a Zobrist type of player?

These lineups and pitching staffs look fantastic, and the best part is most of them leave off several legitimate prospects and none of them include slotting in things like "2018 First Round pick" or "2019 First Round pick", both of which should also add tremendously talented players to the system. If things break well for the White Sox, this could be a dynasty. Even getting average breaks, this team should be a playoff contender for many years starting in the early 2020s.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:56 PM) Profar would be a great get, but 2B is obviously taken up, and when Cordell is healthy, it would be hard to find MLB playing time for him (assuming Avi is back, Leury is healthy, etc.) Can Profar play SS, 3B, and OF? If so, you may be able to Zobrist him. Just rotate him all around the defensive positions and DH to get him into the lineup everyday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? It's okay. Works out to 332 Ks per 200 IP.

Signing Brown as a buy low, flip high guy isn't a terrible idea. On Profar, if the price is right (see: cheap), pick him up. More talent is better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 06:04 PM) I do wonder if they won't be in the 2019 offseason FA pool just because of the names that are there, but we'll see. Players like Machado and Harper don't come along often, especially in FA. If the Sox can get one of them, it will really kickstart this process.

This is exactly the type of trade the White Sox need to be making. Looks like Hahn is going to trade anything that isn't nailed down.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) Cubs and Sox fans hate each other, but we have to worry about losing Sox fans to the Cubs. Those two things don't go together. Because you're missing two key demographics in your analysis: casual fans and those who haven't yet formed an allegiance. Of course diehards aren't going to switch, they don't really factor into the considerations one would have when making a move such as this.