Milkman delivers

This last page has been great. I'm glad a few people agree, and I thank you for speaking up.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 08:47 PM) But you keep ending each post with a snide/condescending remark. QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 08:56 PM) I'm wondering if some of you go off on a clerk that tells you to have a nice day? Check. Just a class act, all around.

QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) Like I said Milkman, I am so sorry that I urged you to have a great time at the park this summer. That was condesending. I hope you have a s***ty time at each and every game. Find a problem with everything you look at. At least I'm coming straight-forward with my views. You act like you're being civil, but you might take more jabs at other posters than anyone else on this site.

QUOTE (SnB @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) aaaaaand back to never checking the Pale Hose forum again. just brutal Please. It gets pretty ridiculous when people act like they stop reading an entire forum because of the random, goofy thread.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) Please go look at the rosters for the Mets and Cubs, this year and last year, and note that their opening day payrolls were $132 and $140 million, respectively. I don't agree with his argument, but that's a terrible response to it. If KW theoretically had a bad offseason because his team with a high payroll has a lot of question marks, it's OK because two other poorly-run organizations are in the same boat?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) As was mentioned, for the Sox to be a World Series contender, they really need 3 very strong starting pitchers and then a 4th good one. Danks has already cemented his place as a very strong starter, so that would leave 2 of Buehrle, Floyd, and Jackson otherwise. I would venture to guess that the two most likely to become that are Floyd and Jackson, because Buehrle is what he is and really won't get much better or worse at this point in time. I do think if the Sox are going to make a run, and if Peavy is not healthy, they will need an upgrade at the end of the rotation. I don't see Humber being able to hold the fort down all season. This is pretty much how I feel. I'm more excited for this team than I've ever been for any team besides maybe 2006. But, Peavy has to be at least good when he returns. It's gravy if he's a stud, although he absolutely needs to be a dependable pitcher.

QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) No doubt I would have looked at the post differently at 20. Part of that was all the angst and frustration I had as a Sox fan. If history goes in cycles instead of a series of great teams after following the team for 40 years, some of you will look back, and I hope I am wrong, and realize this is the best stretch of Whote Sox baseball. I hope some of your memories are not clouded in excessive negativity. But hoping for happy memories for people seems to bring out the hate in some people. So for those, keep under the dark cloud. The hate comes out because you constantly make smug comments like this. You do it all the time, Tex.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) I don't like how this is brought up as an old fan vs. young fan premise. There are old fans who live and die with every game and b**** about every move more than the young people on this site do and they lived through all the same bad Sox teams. Anyone who has been to a small neighborhood bar in Chicago knows that there are old fans way crazier and more intense than anyone on this site. It just has to do with how people choose to enjoy their sports. Some let it control their life and live & die with every game. Some enjoy it for the sport it is and can step away as soon as the game is over. To each their own. I couldn't have said it better myself.

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 04:16 AM) Nope, just really, really annoying. Not singling you out, just those that are over-the-top pessimistic. It was mentioned before on here about how it's easier to be pessimistic about everything so that you can be first to say I-told-you-so! and just laugh off everything you were wrong about because hey, it's your team and you're glad they proved you wrong anyways... Goes both ways. Oh yeah, and old people suck... I definitely see how it gets annoying (sorry, J4L lol), but I don't believe it's a choice. It's just the way some people are. And I certainly don't believe it's a way for someone to show that they were right.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Milkman, I just reread all those things you listed as condescending. Honestly, I didn't get that impression when I read Tex's post. In fact, I thought it was pretty good advice and maybe a little bit of trying to get folks to see things from a different perspective. Now I want to ask you in a non-condescending way, do you think that maybe you might have read that with a predisposed mindset and got a bit defensive? Just asking, not accusing. I really don't think I did. When I started reading the thread, I thought it was basically just a fluff piece and one that would likely just fade away quickly with little attention paid to it. While reading it, though, I started to come across quite a few things that seemed like fairly obvious jabs.

QUOTE (T R U @ Mar 27, 2011 -> 02:50 AM) are you sure hes not just really bored? Nice.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) I never said you had to be optimistic to enjoy it. I'm just thinking in the broader perspective of life. It doesn't always have to be us vs. them, young vs. old etc. To me Tex was just saying enjoy life, enjoy baseball not picking a fight but it seems some people took it in that way. When you have children you don't want to raise them to trust everyone nor do you want them to be a**holes to everyone. I didn't see him as being condescending but the comments he got back showed that some people just like to pick a fight saying "old" and condescending". All he was saying is April is the time to be optimistic and I think we can all agree we like this team. Is it perfect ? No. What team is ? Do we think we have the best lineup or pitching staff in baseball ? No , we can't compete for the best talent in baseball with those teams willing to outspend everyone. Like Hawk says, just sit back relax and strap it down. Healthy debate is fine but a lot of people can't seem to debate without it degenerating into name calling or verbal abuse of some sort. Are you kidding? Go read some of the posts that Tex makes. They are always condescending. And just to clarify, I'm going to take a few quotes just from this thread to show it. I mean, come on. This is his MO. He acts like he's being incredibly civil, but he's constantly taking shots at someone on this board and being condescending. QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) You know it's not about old vs. young or who is the better fan. If that's what you think then you miss the point entirely and truly do show your immaturity. Is it wrong for a person ,be it an older or younger fan to want his fellow Sox fan to "take it easy" or " stop and smell the roses" ? Sure this is the kind of advice you might hear more often from granpa. It's just advice about enjoying life and meant to be a kind word towards the young and pessimistic. Would you tell your grandfather , who has always been kind to you to go, f*** yourself you condescending old coot" because he wants the best for you ? I hope not , but that's the feedback I'm hearing in here and really there's no need for it. If you had read my first post, you would have noticed that I said that going to more games doesn't make me a better fan. I was using the argument that someone can be a pessimist and still support the team and be a real fan. Tex (and others) for years have been saying, either in a straight-forward or roundabout way, that being a pessimist makes someone less of a fan. Since being a pessimist is considered by many as being less of a fan, I used the argument that I have acted as a fan at the games much more often than he. It was an equally absurd argument, but I believe it got the point across that someone's fandom can't be questioned by such measures.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) UK sources are reporting that 5 of the 50 nuclear workers who stayed behind at the plant have died, and another 15 may have received lethal radiation doses. That's an incredible display of heroism. I hope and assume their families will be well taken care of, and they should also receive the highest possible civilian honors in Japan.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) It reeks of condescension and old folk in here. Haha! Bravo, my friend.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 11:09 AM) Yeah, there it is. I do what I can. I don't believe that makes me any less of a fan. And being pessimistic doesn't make me any less of a fan. In fact, I'd say that the amount of time I dedicate to this forum and the money I spend at games make me a pretty damn good fan.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 26, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) Well by all means, keep being a pessimist. That is your right. In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy being a Sox fan. See, there it is. You act like we can't enjoy games because of our pessimistic nature. But I'll tell you what, I'll enjoy the 30+ games I attend this year. I hope you have as much fun at the 1 you attend and the others you watch from 1,500 miles away.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm so tired of this "sage wisdom" from "wiser" fans because they're older. I also noticed that none of those posters you mentioned even live in the state, so maybe they go to 1 or 2 games a year. I'm not saying that makes anyone a better fan, which I DO believe is the theme of this thread and your overall history of posting, but I'm not going to take advice on how to enjoy a game from someone who hardly ever goes to any. Trust me, I thoroughly enjoy going to and watching games despite my pessimistic attitude.

I think we had a crazy predictions thread, but I'm just going to put this here. I'm going to say that the Phillies don't even make the playoffs. And if they do, they lose in the first round.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) Good. For a minute, I thought I was in the Diamond Club and I was really excited.

The thing is that I was pretty sure it was a Cagney movie, and I had just gotten done watching White Heat. So, I looked up the ends to the two other really famous gangster movies he was in (Angels With Dirty Faces and The Public Enemy) on Wikipedia, but only read the very ends of the plot because I thought it was the final scene. Neither one of them said anything about that scene, so I came here to ask. White Heat was f***ing awesome, though.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 11:46 PM) "The Public Enemy" (1931) — CLASSIC Cagney, and honestly still one of the best gangster films ever made. :headbang Thank you, sir.

I remember on an episode of the Sopranos, Tony is watching an old gangster movie. I'm not sure what it is, but here is a rough description of the scene they show. It looks to be the final scene, but a mother is waiting for her son (a gangster) to return home. The doorbell rings and, when the door opens, the son is there seemingly wrapped in a sheet or gauze and probably dead. He falls into the doorway. Does anyone know which movie this is?

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) Touche sir...or maybe i meant to do it? I thought you might have meant it, but it was still too perfect since it was all in one sentence.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) Hyperbole aside, it was a steal considering Weth signed for a billion dollars a couple days later. "Hyperbole aside" and "Werth signed for a billion dollars"

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 05:03 PM) That's fine and well, but Phelps' hands came down on the pad, while Cavic's came in straight. The Serbian team didn't even push for the next level of appeals. Give it up, dude.