southsider2k5

As if you were important enough to tail... we'd just have you killed.

I wish we had half as much power as some people think we do.

Look, you are mad about Jerry and the Sox I get it, but treating Jerry as if he is the dumbest person on the planet somehow getting taken advantage of by the intellectually superior Ishbia is a ridiculous trope. Jerry has been doing this for a long time. He was private equity before this dude was born. Jerry knows full well what he is doing when he sits down in a board room and negotiates a deal for the future of this franchise. He didn't leave out the part where someone is responsible for day to day operations of his two billion dollar investment, and what financial obligations each side has to this structure during the various phases of the deal. He didn't forget to negotiate an end price in a deal for selling the White Sox, in the deal where he is agreeing to sell the White Sox. I don't know why you keep making this absurd allegations which paint Jerry to be some sort of a buffoonish country bumpkin being taking advantage of by a cartoon villain twirling his mustache as he takes advantage of poor ignorant Jerry. It's probably just some weird coping mechanism to push blame away from the current state of this franchise, but none of it is true. If you believe even a small fraction of these posts you make, it is you who needs an education. Again, as you scream at everyone else, take your own advice and quit namecalling and trolling everyone who doesn't agree with you.

You do realize a part of a sales agreement is a price, right?

Hell some of those guys are already hurt and/or weren't that good to begin with.

Especially not you...

If this had been 10 years ago the Sox would have already had the 4th pick in the 24 draft, the #1 pick in the 25 draft, and be on their way to the #2 pick in 2026. Instead we got 5th, 10th and TBA.

Nah, there is no sinkhole! This is exactly how a real house looks!

Not to mention that entire group was putting up good to great numbers, and then for some reason it all fell apart for some odd reason right about the time someone decided Ricky wasn't the guy to get them from point B to C, and instead went into the toilet.

This is why having a producting drafting AND development system in place is so important. We have seen low payroll teams have varying levels of success, but the ones that are the most successful do the best jobs at selling high and developing their own cheap talent. We can't exist through trading our stars for talent being the only source of developed talent in our majors.

If you are looking for a playoff team, you need front-line star players. You don't have them in the rest of the guys, and you need them from that Taylor/Schultz/Smith group, because we sure as hell aren't going to go out and spend $300 million on a starting star pitcher.

Ha, I was just going to say the car is a 1955 pick up truck with the bed rusted out of it.

It is not going to come from the outside to any significant extent, because we aren't going to spend, and Robert isn't brining it back this winter.

Since everyone who failed was the fault of Rick Hahn and his lack of investment into grinders, maybe a true grinder could have fixed all of them? Apparently all you have to do is see someone demonstrate work ethic, and everything else fixes itself.

This would be a spectacular failure by Jerry if he negotiated a deal with someone who he didn't get reassurances from about how he would operate during the status of their deal. Personally, I don't believe Jerry is this stupid, and further more, we KNOW that Ishbia is paying off the operations debt that Jerry's group accumulated in the last half decade, so I personally believe the idea that this franchise isn't going to "spend money" is already demonstrably false. They might not be willing to "spend money" on the daily roster of a team in one of the worst stretches in MLB history, but if you look at similar historic situations, you will notice most of those franchises didn't spend until they were into a level of recovery that made significantly adding to the team something that could propel it to at least mediocrity, if not competition. There is also a really good chance that the "spend money" part is probably going to a new stadium for this franchise, which is why a guy with truly deep pockets was brought in to take over for a guy who is real estate rich and probably couldn't write a check for a billion dollar stadium himself.

I could even get behind it a bit more if we had some critical mass of top prospects about to hit, but our farm system is behind almost every team we are trailing in the division, so I am not even sure where we are making games up from, outside of the Twins self-emolation.

It's been the theme of the past two years. If you disqualify all of the "bad" things, and ask a bunch of leading questions seemingly highlighting some of the things that haven't been obvious failures, making them seem like they could be successes, you get to Baghdad Bob everything that puts a bad tint on things. -Resume? Resumes don't matter, look what else these great guys did, what else could Getz have done?!>?! -Losing? Losing doesn't matter, but what if you look what these losing teams did! Then ignore the fact that we literally can't pick like Houston and Baltimore did with the changes in the CBA. -Hey the cupboard was bare, except where these guys succeeded, but what if it was the changes that did it, even if the changes didn't work for most everyone else! -Ownership is still the same. I don't know why we are pretending that Jerry isn't still meddling, when he obviously is, and still operating with the same 1984 team building styles. Think about it, what does Rick Hahn's arc look like if he got to bring in Machado and/or Harper? What does Kenny Williams look like if he got to bring in Arod? Does anyone honestly think Jerry is going to allow Getz to spend at the top of the market even if all of this succeeds? Nah, operating with doubt is absolutely fair with the 45 year history we have here.

Nothing YOU say matters. Only these very selected things being approved as important.

Counting on most of the available SPs this year was always a fools errand. Martin, Cannon, Burke, etc are guys who maybe have peak mid rotation years, but are just rotation fillers. This team needs that Taylor/Smith/Schultz group to produce at least 1 star and another good starting pitcher for this to have a chance at getting of the gound in this decade.

Most losses 3 consecutive years, all time MLB. 1.Mets 1962 to 1964 = 340 2. Astros 2011-2013 =324 3. White Sox 2023 to 2025 = 322* 4. Rockies 2023-25 = 319* Most losses 2 consecutive seasons, all time MLB 1. Mets 1962-1963 = 231 2. Philadelphia A's 1916-17 = 226 3. Orioles 2018-2019 = 223 4. White Sox 2023-24 = 222* * = Still in progress.

I don't know that "fooled" is the best term. For my two cents, a team isn't as good as win it is on a winning streak, and it isn't as bad as it was when they were on a losing streak. This was never a .500 + team, and luckily this year it was never a .250 team.

Depends on your angle. I would bet money that he is one of the lowest paid GMs in MLB. Is it more than most people? Sure. Compared to his peers? Hell no.

Considering that a 41 win team with no improvements to speak of going into a season was a how many standard deviation case at being able to make the playoffs? Even 3 is a 0.3% chance. 4 is a 99.9937, of which both are effectively 0. We are talking a 45 to 50 win improvement in one year. The biggest improvement in MLB history one year over another is 35, which gets us to 76 wins, or 10 to 15 STILL short of the playoffs.