southsider2k5

With the complete collapse of Bill's team since one HOF QB left his care, it makes you wonder if one Brady is really what put Bellichek on a HOF path. He was terrible with Cleveland before he ever got to the Pats. He was pretty awful in his first year in Boston. Brady shows up and everything changes. He gets those 20 Brady years and everything is great. Brady leaves, and NE instantly collapses.

I think the only paths here were that being able to control everything in the college game would go smashingly well for Bill, or it was going to be an unmitigated disaster. Looks like it was disaster FTW.

Then we aren't reading the same thread.

They are idiots then. You are down to 2/32 left for Benny. Just eat it like a real MLB franchise.

I don't think we are reading the same thread then.

We aren't signing flip candidates. At this stage we are still signing flop candidates.

I think if you compare the two most recent rebuilds, the previous rebuild was front loaded with a lot of potential superstar talent which is why the rankings were at the top of almost everyone's lists. The quickest way to rebuild is to have superstars in your system. I think with this rebuild the guys who have the best chance being top talent, have also shown some pretty big flaws (or are still super young). Whether it is injuries, or performance issues, or some combination of both, those top guys have a lot of asterisk's after their names. I will say I think that this rebuild seems be generating more depth. Even during the previous rebuild, I was setting off the alarm of how few position players we had in place throughout the system. We didn't develop any basic players. This rebuild is already generating guys in the 0-1 WAR crowd. Now those aren't the guys that you get to the playoffs with, but when guys have injuries, you can plug them in without disaster. They make good utility players to give guys days off. Most importantly for a team with payroll issues, if you are churning out guys like this, you aren't wasting $3 to $5 million a person to bring in guys off of the street to do these jobs. The Sox problem to this point is if you are going to make up the 30 games that we need to make up to get to the playoffs, we need a system that outperforms the team in front of us to gain games. I know the Twins are mid-collapse, but we have a ton of work to do to catch up with teams like Detroit and Cleveland. We need some stars. We need Colson to be the guy he was for most of his time in Chicago, and not the guy he was for a lot of the season in Charlotte. We need Hagen and Dutch to be those guys in the front of a rotation, and not a reliever like Grant Taylor. I keep saying, but the Sox need a top 2 pick really, really badly.

#HeGetzUs

And it completely ignores the fact that the Cubs are FAR from the only team who has a ballpark village type of game day experience. You don't need to be playing day games for this to happen. Hell it is public record as to how much Atlanta is raking in doing just this.

Wrigley Field is FAR from the only team in this bucket, though it appears to be the one you chose to focus one. How about Atlanta? How about Boston? How about Arlington? How about St Louis? Have you ever stopped to think that if your theory about the Sox limiting their own fan base to only the favored ethnic groups you pointed out, and limiting themselves only to a certain segment of the city is actually hurting the team by robbing it of revenues that could be used to improve the team on a year to year basis when the bandwagon empties out? Nah. It has plenty of parking, who cares.

Which is exactly why the Sox want to grow the fan base beyond the bandwagon.

I mean we could have done that with Vaughn too, but yeah.

Everybody fails is a helluva argument, immediately to be followed up by here is all of the times you were wrong. Honestly, it is just plain sad. None of us are paid to be successful in baseball. Maybe if we had the same standards for those employed by the White Sox as some do for fans on a message board, this franchise would hold itself to a higher standard? Nah. Forget it. Too crazy. Welp, back to those hurt feelings!

So Vaughn is leading, hitting, and playing defense? Wonder when he learned to do that, because if he did any of them for the Sox, he would still be here.

I can't believe you still can coach, hahahahha

Especially now that the Sox aren't on basic cable.

It's like literally 20 blocks, but the access to people is completely different, being on the edge of the financial district and in one of the fastest growing residential areas of the city.

It's not often I champion some of the bloggers causes, but it would be nice to see literally any of the credentialed White Sox media ask Chris Getz about these firings, especially in the case of Katz, who has had so many successes happen under his watch.

And he was in the majors for like two weeks at the beginning and a month at the end appaently.

I'm second standard deviation!

Baseball tourism IS a large part of the Cubs fan base. That is NOT happening right now for the White Sox, and neither is the fan looking to make a day out of going to a ball game by having a game day experience of bars, clubs, and whatever else is around the park. For the history Sox fan base, the model is currently "Show up when they look like they might do something big", and that leads to huge drop offs when things aren't good. That's where we are today. This is a failing model, and seeing where we rank among our peers both in attendance and love of stadium in MLB, it's pretty easy to figure out why. This is a franchise that NEEDS to do more with it's game day experience, and what we have done the past 35 years and 35th and Shields isn't it. It's a sterile ballpark with its most prominent feature being "it's not bad". It's a neighborhood with no real easy access to game day entertainment before and after the game, and definitely not a volume of easy options, as is happening intentionally these days in places like Atlanta and Arlington, and historically in baseball entertainment friendly neighborhoods like Wrigley and Fenway. If we want the White Sox to exist in 50 years, we need to realize the historic fan base is currently fleeing Chicago and the Chicago burbs and think about what Sox fans will look like in 2075, not what they looked like in 1975. The trend is greater than just showing up for 3 hours of baseball in a generic building, and the teams that realize that? Those are the franchises doing the best right now.

And calling people names at the top of your lungs IS NOT an effective way of portraying NOT being mad.

Did he get the full number, or was he prorated for the portion of the season in which he pitched in the majors?

And still wins.

The transaction was announced in April 1980, which was a strike year, so I went with 1981s attendance. All that to say, the post statistics are still accurate. The Sox have a shrinking fan base since Jerry took over, and for some reason there are those pretending like we can't mess with success. It's not the good old days anymore and the Sox are being left behind.