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MLB Pipeline‏Verified account @MLBPipeline 5h5 hours ago Last start in ? Shohei Ohtani fires 10-K 2-hitter before myriad @MLB brass, including @Reds. 98 mph on pitch #124! http://atmlb.com/2fR54bQ

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Chicago White Sox @whitesox 2m The #WhiteSox have outrighted C Rob Brantly, RHPs Brad Goldberg and Chris Volstad, LHP David Holmberg and OF Rymer Liriano to Charlotte. Chicago White Sox @whitesox 2m Replying to @whitesox Goldberg will remain in the organization as a non-roster player, while Brantly, Holmberg, Liriano and Volstad will become MiLB free agents. Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 1m White Sox 40-man roster decreases to 33. No shocks there. The Sox still have a couple of more spots they can open even as Pelfrey will be a FA, and a couple of other players who could go if needed out of the pen.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) It's really not. You are so interested in arguing with me, you have no idea what I've stated. I don't think you know what you are saying to be honest.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) He was in a 3 way tie for 31st highest bonus in his class. If you have the 31st pick in the draft, it's pretty much a lottery pick. I'm not blaming the White Sox for trading him. Look at the vast majority of international guys that get his money. They don't work out. He might not either. 16 year olds are very hard to project. There is no way he would have been available for $700k if teams thought he would be what he's been. I think Michael Ynoa got $4 million. This is so circular.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Which is precisely my point. The guy was a lottery ticket who exploded. He never played one inning for the White Sox organization. If he were considered an all over top 10 talent, the Sox would never have traded him. Their bonus would have been a lot more, and maybe another team would have offered even more. A guy signed for $700k and in the top 30 isn't a lottery ticket guy. That is more like Reynaldo Lopez who was a $10k signing. The rivisionist history here to pain the White Sox as ignorant of a guy they paid top dollar for is bizarre.

Mark Lazerus‏Verified account @MarkLazerus 22m22 minutes ago Cody Franson breathes a sigh of relief after signing a 1-year deal with the Blackhawks. Notebook: https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/blackhawks-place-hossa-on-ltir-sign-franson-to-one-year-deal/amp/ …://https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports...ear-deal/amp/ …

MLB Trade Rumors‏ @mlbtraderumors 56m56 minutes ago Rangers Release Prince Fielder https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/rangers-release-prince-fielder.html …://https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017...-fielder.html …

Houston has always been my 2nd favorite team and with all of the teams I hate that made the playoffs, I am ride or die with the Astros.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) Where did it rank overall? Obviously it was more than some, but not one that is given to someone they think will be a top 10 overall prospect in 2 years. I'm guessing no other team offered him more than the White Sox, and if it was then considered what he is considered now, or even anywhere near, his bonus would have been significantly higher. When you are signing 16 year olds, there aren't many sure things. Yet the White Sox were the ones who signed him. Where they erred was in not knowing that San Diego wasn't disclosing full medical records on their players and thought they were getting the historical James Shields, and not the one with a bum shoulder.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Considering his signing bonus, I don't think anyone knew about Tatis. It was a lottery ticket that exploded. Whether it translates into a long major league career is yet to be seen. He got a $600,000 bonus. While not the biggest, he was on the podium with the other big July 2 signings for the White Sox and was the Sox second biggest signing that year. EDIT: It was actually 700k

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Stanton is tough to value. There's really no excess value on that contract, but I have a hard time seeing MIA just dumping him after this past season unless they get something in return. I'd consider giving up Rutherford and a couple lower level guys for him. I don't see us outbidding others for a Harper, Machado, etc. in free agency. This thought is worth a mention. If you are of the mindset that the White Sox won't be in the $300 million playas club, maybe you view a Stanton deal a little differently as a chance to get a guy like this on to your team.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) my 2 cents: If you have a choice between Arenado, Harper, Machado and Stanton and you tell me the Sox WILL sign one? I put Stanton at the back of that list. I still like Arenado and Machado a whole lot more than the others. However at the same time if you tell me this is JUST a contract dump? I'd entertain Stanton. I do think he'll have a big trade market however if it just a contract dump. Giants, Phillies, Yankees, Cubs, RedSox, Dodgers can all absorb that price tag a lot easier than us.. People may think I'm crazy, but I can see the Yankees going after Stanton AND Harper... Imagine an OF of Judge, Stanton and Harper ...... infield of Torres, Sanchez, etc. But to go back to the original question - yes I'd acquire Stanton. He'll be 38 at the end of the deal ... Pujols is 37. It's not inconceivable for Stanton to play 6-7 really good years within that contract and a few more at replacement level. With the new luxury tax penalties I can't see the Yankees going crazy in free agency anymore. I get they have space to play with, but to get Stanton and Harper might cost them $75-100 million a year.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Compared to some of the other LTIR situations in the league, it isn't too crazy. And I'm sure there is a legit doctor diagnosis somewhere. It sounds well documented, and that is probably why it went through.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/coll...0zJzmi5LBS7h.97 More at link

There is a lot of good and neutral information in there. Highly recommended read.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 07:17 AM) He was more than a lottery ticket, and he "just happened to explode" such that within 2 months of the trade he was a top 100 prospect and rising fast. The Sox didn't know what they had in Tatis; and they probably didn't really know what they were getting in Shields (how many Sox scouts were in Seattle?). Shouldn't have given a prospect of any sort for Shields- pure salary dump was more than enough. Just stop yourself.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 11:03 PM) Well, it's not often pitchers like Sale get traded. IIRC, the last was Seattle trading Randy Johnson to Houston which I think was '98 so it definitely doesn't happen often. Don't remember the prospect rankings on the players Seattle got in return but I'm pretty confident none were close to the likes of Moncada and Kopech. Will we ever see a prospect return similar to Moncada and Kopech for a pitcher like Sale? It's possible but I think that will be a long time from now. What's even more fun to think about is if Basabe develops into anything close to his ceiling. Time and patience are the keys with him. The trend seems to be towards the devaluing of prospects in trades. It is taking more and more guys to get big deals done now. I don't know if the trend continues or not, but it will be interesting to see. I want to say this was the first time ever that the #1 overall guy was dealt, and then you added another top 10 guy in Kopech.

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 10:16 PM) There is for sure some PR fluff going on, but it's really nice to have a club going into the off-season trending upwards, and you know the players can feel it. Aside from Shields who seems to be a great influence on the younger guys, there legit isn't 1 guy on the roster that is just collecting a paycheck in the twilight of their career which is incredibly refreshing to see. The arrow is pointing up and everyone can sense it. The White Sox will tell us how close they think they are by what they do this off season. If both Abreu and Avi get sent out, Rick Hahn doesn't agree.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Four of the largest rebuilding trades by the Sox ended up with the other team making the playoffs. Eaton - WAS Sale - BOS Quintana - CHC Frazier/Robertson/Kahnle - NYY BONUS: Clippard - HOU Hopefully the Yankees are sending Rick a nice edible arrangement after last nights game.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) I didn't realize that there was even a concern that the NHL would allow it, but good to see that it went through. And Jordin Tootoo surprisingly, not that he was gonna contribute at all. The Hawks have started their daily salary cap maneuvering though to save every dollar. DeBrincat and Forsling were optioned to Rockford yesterday, but will be back in Chicago for opening night tomorrow. Supposedly there was a stink rose about the Hawks doing it by someone else in the league, so they did a pretty deep investigation. There was some amount of thought it would be disallowed.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) He'd likely decline. And there's no way the Sox (or any team acquiring Stanton) would be paying all of that $285m. If the Marlins pick up cash, they will ask for a bigger return. My guess is with the price they just paid for the team, they aren't going to be superwilling to pick up a significant amount of cash unless they are getting a Top 10 in baseball guy back as the start of the deal.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 05:28 PM) There is no reason there cannot be a middle ground between financial conservatism and social liberalism IMO That is my non-existent party right there. Out of my wallet and my bedroom.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) They've shifted left, not radically left. If the Democrats start adopting DSA platform planks, then we can talk about a radical shift. Either way, how much they've shifted isn't relevant to whether or not Republican campaigns calling Obama and Kerry the most liberals to ever liberal in the history of liberalism caused that shift; same for the inverse and conservatives. If it gets you to address the core argument, fine, the Democrats are now a bunch of radical Marxists. Now explain how Republican political campaigns caused them to shift so far leftward. e: or don't because this is a dumb argument and you'll always find a way to blame Democrats/liberals for the actions of Republicans and conservatives If there is no such influence on campaigns, why is the left still talking about Russia?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) I stand by your posts. Yes I gave the rebuild a 4, it's up from 2 earlier though. I'll be glad to amend if/when we start winning. If it's worthy, baby, I'll give it a 7, 8, 9 even a 10. But right now I'm with south. You are literally the only reason I doubt my position on the rebuild.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 04:37 PM) You could address the relevant argument rather than that tangent. If you are oblivious to the Democratic platform and its general direction, there is no point.