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Klaw chat http://meadowparty.com/blog/2017/09/07/klawchat-9717/

QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) Did he ever sign with anyone? Still an RFA.

No punishment for the United passenger dragging incident. http://wgntv.com/2017/09/07/federal-offici...gging-incident/

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 10:55 AM) Sounds like the reports we got about Niko about 4 years ago Thanks. Just when I had forgotten about Niko.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Unless they get someone who is projectionable and can play CF in the major leagues next year, get ready to see a lot of Engel in 2018. They love him. The front office knows he is going to have to hit, but look like they are willing to exhaust every chance before they give up. Renteria loves him so much, he wants him to play if he can't hit. Maybe he could have him bunt 600 times a year. If we have the choice between someone who can't hit, but plays gold glove defense versus someone who can hit, but hurts his pitching staff in CF, give me Engel everytime. With an already bad defense and a young pitching staff, I don't want to make it harder on them than I have to. Engel is a young pitchers best friend in CF the way he turns doubles in the gap into loud outs.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) I can imagine certain Soxtalk members being extremely excited about Melky returning His teammates sure loved the guy, which means something.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:52 PM) OK, so putting aside the "grade," can we agree that Engel has tremendous speed, better than Hanson and perhaps best on the Sox? The argument was never that Engel wasn't fast. But that is different than top of the scale speed.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) Here you go, Gentlemen: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242451240/al...g-speed-to-sox/ Perfect. 12th isn't enough for me to call someone an 80. That is a generational tool. If anyone in baseball today is an 80, it is Billy Hamilton.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) So, am I to assume that MLB Pipeline and FutureSox are not reasonably accurate sources for such grades? What would be a better source, without having to pay for a subscription? I don't recall FS ever giving him an 80 grade. Link?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:35 PM) Perhaps you didn't read the entire quote. MLB Pipeline rated his speed as 80, last year. Who am I to argue with MLB Pipeline? They currently rate Moncada's speed a 65, which I admit seems a little low. I read the quote and then put holes into it. Adam Engel is NOT as fast as Billy Hamilton. No way. I don't think he is even the fasted guy on his own team. That belongs to either Hansen or Moncada. That makes three guys who are clearly above Engel, which makes it impossible for me to call him an 80.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) Here is what MLB had to say about him, last year, in their Pipeline assessments, which rated his speed as 80: Engel was one of the best athletes and biggest enigmas in the 2013 Draft, which is why he lasted 19 rounds and signed for $100,000. He batted just .265 with two homers in three years at Louisville and provided inconsistent production in his first three pro seasons. He led the Class A Advanced Carolina League with 90 runs and 65 steals last year, but also topped the circuit with 132 strikeouts and posted just a .704 OPS at age 23. But Engel made adjustments in the second half and flourished in the Arizona Fall League, winning MVP honors while pacing the prospect showcase in batting (.403), on-base percentage (.536) and slugging (.642). Though AFL statistics must be taken with a grain of salt, his right-handed swing was much smoother and his rhythm and timing were much improved. He seemed to recognize pitches better and was able to stay back on balls and drive them more consistently. Engel never has lacked for strength or bat speed, and if he can become even an average hitter with average power he can make a huge impact at the big league level. His top-of-the-line speed makes him a disruptive force on the bases and a defensive asset in center field, where he shows fine instincts. Even if his AFL performance was a mirage, his tools should allow him to contribute as a fourth outfielder. Sure. But if you can point out multiple players who are faster, you can't call him an 80... just by definition. Let me put it this way, Billy Hamilton is an 80 speed. Do you see Adam Engel as that fast? I have not seen a single report that puts him into that category. Yoan Moncada and Alen Hansen are probably 70-75's. Would you put Engel in those categories? I wouldn't. To me that means he can be rated the same as any of those guys.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Oh yes, I forgot about Hanson. He is very fast. Aren't you impressed with Engel's speed, running to first? He looks awfully fast to me. 65 or 70 is really fast. 80 is top of the scale. 50 is average.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) Their Prime Minister said 0 in the last hour. https://twitter.com/the_real_shull/status/905424749270007808 This post states 1. https://www.facebook.com/DiscoverMNI/posts/1246357958841356

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 03:36 PM) The island of Barbuda, which is part of Antigua, hadn't had any contact since the storm hit overnight. The PM of Antigua flew over this afternoon and just recently gave a press conference via radio. Estimated damages are that 90% of the buildings are gone. Estimated fatalities are over 1000. The island's population is only 1600. Their Prime Minister said 0 in the last hour. https://twitter.com/the_real_shull/status/905424749270007808

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) Interesting stats. Thanks. Regarding his speed, who on the Sox has more speed than Engel? I would guess that perhaps Anderson and Moncada possess Engel's speed, but I doubt that they are faster. I would put say that Moncada and Hansen are probably faster. I think Engel probably rates more of a 65 or 70 after seeing him in action.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) I just think if Tyler Saladino could hit .270 with 25HR he would be a good fit. Same with Yolmer. You know who else impresses me in the minors? Eddy Alvarez.. if he could hit .250 with 25hrs he could be our next SS for 5-7 years. I can't stand this board sometimes. Adam Engel makes a nice catch and all of a sudden we go goo goo ga ga over him. He's never hit more than 7 hr's in a season. He's not figuring it out now at 25 years old. He should be happy he's in the Sox organization when they suck cause he wouldn't sniff the majors if he was on 25 other MLB orginizations. He should be happy that he can tell his grandkids he played in the MLB and that he accrued MLB time and is on the 40 man roster and gets a nice bump in AAA for a while. Other than that? Sorry. His biggest role EVER on a contending team should be in September to be a late inning defensive guy for like 1 inning total. Or running the bases. But in two years when we are hopefully good? He's 27. And guess what? You can find his speed elsewhere readily and you can find defense almost anywhere too. Engel can be throw into the pile with almost everybody on this team ... thanks for being a warm body and playing mlb baseball for a year and a half. Digging back here after looking at his fielding stats, I do want to point out that this is actually wrong. He actually has 12 homers between 2 levels this year. He hit 8 homers for Charlotte in 192 PAs, and has 4 more for the White Sox in 441 PAs. Penciled out over 550 PAs that works out to 15 homers in a season. While it isn't quite 25 homers yet, it also isn't 7. It is also worth pointing out that his Charlotte power numbers of 8 homers in 192 PAs works out to 23 homers in a 550 PA season. That IS really close to 25. It is also worth pointing out that he he has put some solid doubles numbers up through the minors so it isn't a stretch to think that with some strength as he ages, he could start seeing doubles turn into homers.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) To that point, I remember being very discouraged with Engel's jumps and reads (both on TV and in person) during his first few weeks here, but he has improved greatly in that department since. Looking at his D numbers now, they have all gone positive except for a small negative to his arm. If you drop down to his Inside Edge numbers, you can see where his range comes into play. He has made 100% of plays in the routine range (90-100% prob) 100% in the likely range (60-90%), 80% in the even range (40-60%), and 33% in the unlikely (10-40%) and even 6.3% of the remote plays (1-10% chance). He is either above or at the top end of each of those ranges. That means he is likely getting good reads and routes, because Engel is not a guy with 80 speed to make up for bad reads and routes. Obviously we are still in SSS range, but the early numbers are very positive.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/final-str...olito-richards/ Interesting write-up on Giolito Nice words from a self-proclaimed big Giolito doubter. The biggest thing here for me is the spin on his fastball. I know guys like Eno Sarris haven't been big on Giolito because of the lack of spin, but so far it seems like he's added spin to offset the velocity drop, and that's giving him a decent amount of swinging strikes on the pitch. That is a ton of "if" based on three starts.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) Those discussions are happening though, there are threads about pretty much all of those topics. You can always just ignore the threads about Engel/Delmonico/Davidson/Yolmer/whoever, no one is forcing you to read them. Or... and maybe I am just being crazy here... start a new thread with your topic of choice?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) How it went down, per source: -GOP pushed for 18 mo debt limit hike. Then 6 mo -Dems dismissed 6 mo. Pitched 3 mo -Trump then agreed to 3 mo — Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) S eptember 6, 2017 DEMOCRATS WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DEFAULT! Did I do that right?

Cincinnati Reds‏Verified account @Reds 15m15 minutes ago Billy Hamilton left the game with a fractured left thumb. He is expected to go on the 10-day DL.

Per White Sox twitter

Patrick Finley‏Verified account @patrickfinley 23m23 minutes ago #Bears released their depth chart. No surprises, really; Unrein starts at DE, Deonte Thompson to KR, Bryce Callahan to PR https://twitter.com/patrickfinley/status/905493563097669633

The Vice Chair of the Fed just quit.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 12:56 PM) It's not like there's a whole lot of other White Sox-related stuff to talk about right now though, so of course these types of discussions are going to pop up. The part we're in now is the most boring part of the rebuild. There's no one left to trade, and most of the guys who will be future contributors are in the minors. What kind of discussions are you expecting? Yep. Welcome to the next two years of draft position discussion and laying out future line ups.