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QUOTE (zisk @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) It looks like Todd and Melky are getting heated up at the right time. Odds of either being moved soon? What type of return to expect and will their departure help the "tank for Beer" quest? Both will be gone by August 1st.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) CapFax is the best site out there. Rich Miller knows Illinois politics inside and outside. He also has really good sources inside the capital. Part of the problem is that Madigan also helped write the 1970 Constitution, so it's his baby and he doesn't want to let it die. The state has a ton of systemic problems that the Illinois Dems don't want to acknowledge. They would rather keep spending taxpayer money versus fixing them.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) So, Rauner vetoed the budget bill, and senate overrides his veto which means now it goes to the House for a vote. How many more power checks can occur before this bill is actually put into motion? If House approves the bill, can Rauner do anything else? What a mess If both houses override, it becomes law. See also Rock, Schoolhouse.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) Mike Napoli was a damn fine player for a long time. I'd be thrilled if Collins were as good as him. Same here.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 05:35 PM) MLB trade rumors reports that Cubs may be interested in Verlander . That could start narrowing the field for starting pitchers. That would be awesome. I would love to see the Cubs eventually have to eat that contract.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) Tatis has all the makings of a super prospect in two years if he continues with the development he's showing White Sox traded away prospect = Super Prospect White Sox acquired prospect = bust, failure, and panic.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) Utter nonsense. The team resides in Chicago. That is a large market. The Sox don't operate as a large market team because of ineffective ownership. I know it pains you to be told that, but that is the truth, and quite frankly, it should be pretty obvious by now. This is Trumpian fantasy. Existing in a big market does not make you a big market team. The White Sox fan base is a fraction of the Cubs. The Cubs own Chicago. Anyone who doesn't get that is delusional or irrationally angry.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) Great. However, the Cubs are a very unique case that the White Sox are very unlikely to realize at any time in the near future. Continuing to mention them in relation to the White Sox' attendance situation is a waste of time and energy. The good thing is, the fans have responded to the new direction, and presumably others will come back if things continue to progress on the field. Which is why the idea of viewing them as a "large market team" is such a waste of time. They are not anywhere near this grouping, and never will be.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) I would assume it's Robertson. The ONLY two on the whole list who will be traded are Quintana and Robertson. That will pretty much assure two more major holes for next season on the team and pretty much guarantee the cellar again. It'll be the buzzkill the Sox need (sarcasm) heading into the offseason. This is fully and 100% wrong.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) However, it is significant money. The Cubs on average draw about 18k more than the White Sox. Almost 1.5 million over the course of a season. Even if you conservatively put that at $50 a head, it's an additional $75 million, which, if you think the Sox are broken, and from your posts I think that would be a safe assumption, it definitely would help fix it. Considering the discrepancy in ticket prices, the Cubs probably will pull in close to $100 million more than the White Sox this year through ticket sales. It's is still important, not only for now, but the future. Once people stop going to games and find alternative things to do with their time and other ways to spend their entertainment funds, it can take a long time to get them back. The White Sox are wise to keep their prices low for now. It will be interesting to see how much success they will need to pull the plug on things like family Sunday. Again that is $50 - 100 million extra dollars the Cubs get because their fans show up.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) Greg, that's how you get WW3 Or by publicly trolling Russia for some votes...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 08:07 PM) Greg, what can complaining about the rebuild actually accomplish? I post all the time in the Filibuster now, but have no illusion it really makes one iota of difference. More for self-preservation of sanity, lol. But is there any sense in having the same arguments day after day? Thad, myself, Balta...were pretty critical the last 3-4 years, but I would go bonkers tilting at windmills like Don Quixote and obsessing about every single Chris Sale start or Giolito/Fulmer/Collins struggle. Nobody can force Reinsdorf to sell the team when it's value increases on a yearly basis no matter how well the team is led. A rising tide floats all boats, and that's the case in MLB today. Focus on the positives, like winning a recruiting war with the Cardinals for Luis Robert. Some grudges are worth 40/50/60/100/whatever years we are up to now.

Depends on when it happens. There are quite a few guys who are going to be traded over the next four weeks too.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 04:34 PM) Tyler Saladino, Leury Garcia, and Yolmer Sanchez have no bearing on Yoan Moncada or when he comes to the big leagues. Rinse and Repeat.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 04:17 PM) Really? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/2017...agent-list.html Quite a few here you could sign on the super cheap. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/2018...ree-agents.html Couple more here. They aren't hard to find. It is finding a catcher that can hit and play defense that is the trick. And that was hardly the point of the post. Most of those guys aren't that good defensively either. Honestly way too much is being made of a small sample for a guy that has a lot of other stuff to focus on right now. This isn't a time to panic, red flag or anything else for Collins.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) Yeah, well, he is hitting 100 points below that level. Walks are great and all, but if a guy doesn't show the ability to hit, pitchers are just going to attack him, and the walks will decline then disappear. He needs to hit. By no means am I calling him a bust or anything like that, it is his first full season of pro ball and he has time. But he has to hit. For a guy that was billed as an advanced college bat, it is a bit concerning to see him struggle to hit in his second go round in A-ball. If he were doing what he did last year (.258/.418/.467), most people would be happy with him even though it isn't progress. To this point, this season has been a step backwards (offensively) , and in terms of player development, that is a failure. Yes, he has gotten better defensively, but defensive catchers are a dime a dozen, it is that bat that could make him special. The bat needs to start showing some progress, it is scary that he has shown that he may be better suited for Kanny than Birmingham. Not really, no.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Couple things that I'd like to add: 1. You said "typical" prospect. However, the research looked into the careers of position players that appeared in a Top 100/Top 150 list. This is actually the oposite of a "Cherry picked" sample, as you suggested. Adolfo has to look up about ~100 spots or so before he sniffs a Top 100 list. Because of this, his likelihood of busting is Higher, not lower. 2. You cite 21% as a success rate, but again, that's for all (high OR low OR average K rate) among Top 100 position players. When you further filter to Adolfo"s cohort (again, the exact opposite of "cherry picking ") the success rate (if he were in a Top 100 list, which he isn't ) is a mere 13%. For a non-Top 100 type, the success rate is likely less. Lastly, I agree that the research is dated. But, I challenge you to find a study that shows that it is a GOOD THING for a prospect to have a high K rate & low BB rate. If we have subsequent research that shows the opposite of this one, then I'll agree that this study should be disregarded. Thanks for disagreeing, without being disagreeable. And if you have contrary research, Id love to see it. When you look at that list of players, it screams the exact sorts of players that Micker Adolfo projects to be if he reaches his ceiling. One thing that is good for a player to have is a 70-80 power rating potential. That list probably also doesn't contain any other players who are playing through Adolfo's specific circumstances of being perpetually the youngest player in his league, and for missing large chunks of time due to injury.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Yolmer Sanchez may have made him less necessary for another year or two. What about Saladino and Leury? No. Just, no.

Side note, this is incredible. I know there were conversations previously about how dangerous VZ is right now... Ben Badler‏ @BenBadler Jul 2 As a note, in case it's not already clear, at the request of several players/families, we're not posting any Venezuelan bonus amounts today.

Peter Gammons‏Verified account @pgammo 39m39 minutes ago As of this morning the only calls Billy Beane has had on Sonny Gray were "keep me in mind" requests, none recent

The White Sox also do not get anyone to vote for in the Final Vote.

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 2h2 hours ago Free agent guard Derrick Rose is meeting with Milwaukee Bucks officials today, league sources tell ESPN.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Both houses of congress and the presidency are all controlled by the same party and they can't even get anything done. Further proof as to which party is actually willing to stand up to its leadership, and not just fall into line.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Ahh thank you! I had not seen that article. No problem. I think from the White Sox side of things, JR is more involved in the day to day stuff, so stuff doesn't get vetoed by someone at an end stage. If JR doesn't like something, it probably never gets off of the ground.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) I thought I had read that ownership had killed it, but not necessarily their ownership. It was reported that this happened from the Nats side. https://www.outsidepitchmlb.com/washington-...son-trade/70018