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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) Very interesting....so we are certain that the Nats' owner was the one who killed it? I have not heard anyone report it any differently to this point. Rick Hahn actually kind of broke this months ago.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) It would surprise me if THAT was the thing that ruined relations between us and Rizzo I don't know what I think about it, but that was clearly being inferred by Olney last night as he talked about the Nats and Robertson last night.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 06:19 AM) I swear you are like 10 months behind the world That's what happens when you live in Kansas.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 09:56 PM) During the Nats game tonight, Buster sure made it seem like Robertson to Nats has no chance of happening due to Robertson's stock being higher It also kind of sounded like the failure of the deal at the ownership level night have nuked any good will there.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 09:56 PM) Not really "my" research, but here, I'll Google that for you: https://www.beyondtheb...rates-prospects From the article: "...only 13% of high K prospects succeeded without a high walk rate, 76% busted without one..." For this article, a high K rate was defined as being >22%, whereas a high walk rate was defined as being >11%. We can go back-and-forth about "tools," or his age, or whatever perceived extenuating excuses one may have for him. The fact remains that Adolfo has a 30% k rate in low A, which suggests that he has scant chances of making it. I'll leave it at this: As a Sox fan, I hope he proves the numbers wrong, but it ain't looking good for him. Versus the odds of a typical prospect succeeding at 21%, and not just a cherry picked one with the most ideal of circumstances as was pointed out here? I think the big difference here is that your typical high K strike out guy doesn't always come with 80 potential power, and even less start to realize it. Again, you are also missing out that the career of Micker Adolfo contains a ton of asterisks that almost all players don't have. Most aren't playing North American professional baseball at age 17. Most don't see enough injuries in three seasons to hold them to less than a seasons worth of ABs. Most are being signed at age 16 and then thrust into a different country to start new. All but one aren't playing as the youngest in their league. As was pointed out prior, he has made huge progress this year, and his K rate has dropped by a large amount season over season. If I had to put a subcategory into this table, I would bet money that the high K guys who did succeed were most typically also high power guys, and even if you look at the list in there, I see a whole of 60 to 80 power guys. It is also worth pointing out in the 4 years since this article was written, the K rate of major league also has accelerated greatly since then, and might even have outdated this research.

Wait, people are already pining for Cody Asche?

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 06:34 PM) Actually we are competing with the American League and we need to be as good as the Yankees, Red Sox and for now the Astros. The White Sox are a big market team and need to step up and bring in big market players. lol, no.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) I think he has been decent today. The 4 errors and all those extra pitches really don't help. He was fine before all that. 4 errors plus at least a couple of mental mistakes. He faced a couple of innings worth of extra batters today.

I think we figured out the 4th of July is about the latest he can be for a super 2 deadline. Past that, I would bet when Todd Frazier goes, Moncada comes up.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 09:01 PM) Congrats Avi. Glad to see him make it. I know nothing about him but he seems like a hard worker who cares about his baseball career. His average may plummet the rest of the season but at least he had one good half in his career to make an all star game. Avi baby! And to think, you wanted him cut.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) Think of it this way. If the Sox had not signed Robert, it wasn't like they were going to add anyone to last year's pool. So essentially it is like they signed him to this one and are penalized one year. News reports said the opposite.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) Renteria made a curious move yesterday when he yanked Holland with Napoli at the plate. Napoli was lost his first 2 ABs. Had no chance. Holland was at 106 pitches, but he was having no issue with this guy. Brings in Beck, and although it appeared a bit windblown, home run. Banister did the exact opposite with Hamels. Left him in for Davidson who fanned for the 3rd time, then yanked him. I know wins aren't so important now, but running the game should be. Ricky needs to improve on this. There has been zero confidence in the non-Q starters for a while now, and I can't say that I blame him. Outside of Quintana this starting rotations is just awful. Maybe Rodon starts to change that, but even he is basically in spring training right now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) it doesn't help when three guys (Jones, Petricka, Putnam) who were supposed to be the back end of the pen cannot stay healthy And our starters struggle to consistently give us 5 innings.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) Can we pin this post? So sick of the non-stop Anderson b****ing. Give the kid some time for f***'s sake. Again, if people are this stressed about Anderson, wait until Moncada is his turnkey partner.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Seems to me that you are holding his name and signing bonus against him. If you take that away, you have the youngest player on his team, who is 2nd on his team in R, 4th in H, 1st in 2B, 3rd in HR, 2nd in RBI, 1st in TB, 2nd in SLG, 3rd in OBP, 2nd in AVG, and 2nd in OPS. All around he has been the best hitter on Kanny, except for maybe Zavala, and that is debatable. And he is 3 years or so younger than most of his teammates. That to me, looks like a pretty good prospect with or without a name attached. NIcely done.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 07:09 PM) And his tools mean little, if he cannot reduce the strikeouts, and make contact at a greater rate. There are PILES of suspects with "raw power" in this and in other orgs that amounted to nothing. Again, take away the name and the signing bonus. If any other player had had his middling career hereto fore, that player would be looked at as a suspect, not a prospect. Again, I am hopeful that he makes it, but in reality, most farmhands do not. And even fewer in low A with a high K rate make it, regardless of whatever "tools" a player is purported to possess. No one's hurt here. Adolfo simply isn't a prospect until he can drop the K rate. That has always been my position with him. Actually, I regarded him as a suspect until he can successfully complete a season without a major injury, AND that he can cut the K rate down. On the former, I'll agree: 2017 has been a success for him; on the latter, we'll see. That said, there is plenty of research that indicates that K-rates matter greatly in prospects. Unsurprisingly, prospects with high K rates bust the most. This is especially true in prospects that have high K rates in the lower minors, as in Adolfo's case. Do you disagree? If so, feel free to counter the research that shows that high K-rates tend to lead prospects to bust. Or the observations of plenty of Sox farmhands that busted due to a high K rate, coupled with "tools" or "athleticism" or "raw power." I've got an open mind, and an honest hope that each and every Sox farmhand makes it to Cooperstown. [Even though I know that most won't make it.] Let's see your research then.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) Look, I leave open the door for Adolfo, IF he can drop the K-rate. I just reserve the right to not count on a K machine in Low A. I can't believe this is so controversial to some. I'm interested in having good players in the system, so that they can make the Big club good one day. Take away the kid's name, & his signing bonus for a second: Would you get as butt-hurt about a hypothetical 4th year player in low A with Adolfo's disappointing track record being called a "suspect?" I can't believe that you are treating him like a normal 4th year player in A ball. He was a true 17 year old in rookie ball for his first season. Injuries have also held him back to the point where he had about a seasons worth of ABs during those first three seasons. He is a raw 21 year old in A ball. There is nothing wrong with that unless you frame things to look worse than the actually are. He is also a guy who has made a significant leap this season. Instead of getting hurt feeling everytime someone points out the truth to you on an overreaction, maybe just learn from it and move on?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:01 PM) Sox can't count on him, time to move on to other options if available. Stress fractures and stress reactions don't go away that easily... they keep returning, ask Bill Walton for one. Feel bad for the kid but as Kenny would say "it is what it is..." Thanks Mr Obvious, you're a life saver.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 06:29 PM) lol, I was salty one day with you and predicted July 1st as a return. I then hedged and went middle of June. FML. I should have went THIS SEASON. Yeah, this is unreal. Pretty much life is a hazard for him.

Wow. Just wow.

700,000,000,000 are going to lose their health care. https://pjmedia.com/video/maxine-waters-say...eir-healthcare/

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) For those with a typical 9-5, is anyone else working Monday? I assumed, wrongly, that my office would be closed. We just got the internal memo saying we're open. I'm kinda pissed about that. If Christmas falls on a Tuesday, we don't work Monday. Pretty sure the same goes for New Years. We get a half day because NYSE is half a day.

Bruce Levine‏ @MLBBruceLevine 10m10 minutes ago Avisail Garcia still out of White Sox lineup. ( knee) Shortstop Tim Anderson again on the bench tonight

http://meadowparty.com/blog/2017/06/30/klawchat-63017/

Chelsea Janes‏Verified account @chelsea_janes 21h21 hours ago Trea Turner has a broken right wrist. No timetable for a return.