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QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) Ha! Murton can't even break an aging outfield of Jones and Flyod. What does that tell you? it tells me the cubs FO are fools, last i checked Brendan Harris had his bags packed for him after only a cup of coffee for them in '04. Harris after bouncing around 3 organizations with very few pro AB's has begun fulfilling that promise down in tampa. I'd trade Dye for Cedeno and Murton in a heartbeat.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 03:14 PM) Hanley Ramirez fixed Hanley Ramirez > Jose Reyes

which game is the make up game? and which game is the DH? thanks in advance for a response.

wow, the board looks awesome. Great work guys, i love being a part of this community

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:05 PM) I dunno, if Gavin Floyd can wind up doing in the big leagues what he's doing in the minor leagues right now, and you keep Buehrle and Garland around, and Fields keeps hitting, and Sweeney and Richar give us something, we might not be that far away next year, esp. if we can hold onto Buehrles and turn either Vaz or Jose into something valuable. We'd basically need a leadoff hitter. Does anyone think Richar could leadoff? he seems patient enough, hits for decent pop and has speed. The names i wouldn't mind coming back from the dodgers are the following one of Wilson Betemit or Chin-Lung Hu and James McDonald(live arm down at A+) On a side note, does anyone think we could move Scott Podsednik to the Padres, their outfield is weaksauce and they could use someone to fill Dave Roberts former role. Maybe Scott Podsednik to the Padres for RP Leo Rosales AAA & 2B Matt Antonelli A+? QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:37 PM) That's pretty much my dream scenario right there, it would mean the end of Scott Podsednik which is always a good thing to think about, it would add a young high upside talent to a team that needs as many of those as possible and would fill a couple needs for the team. I highly doubt Jose has that sort of trade value, however. i don't think we're going to get Gomez from the mets, and Milledge has character issues and is just now taking live BP down at AAA. Ideally we send off Jose and pick up Milledge and an arm like Kevin Mulvey

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) This trade would make no sense. Just some more prospects rather than guys who can actually play the game now and help us win. our window is shut. we won't be winning for the next 2-3 years. lets just go through the roster and see who could possibly contribute for our next WC or Division title. DH - Thome - No: Health is an issue but he still can put up numbers with the best of them, unfortunately he has only 2 years left on his contract and a NTC. C - AJP - No: catchers generally don't age well, and I'm sick of his first pitch swinging no throwing out runner ass he also only has 1 year left on his deal. 1B - Konerko - Yes: He having a down year but has begun picking it up a bit lately, he will prolly be here for our next run as either our 1B or DH. 2B - Iguchi - No: Hes a FA and on the decline. SS - Uribe - No: hes due 5mil next year or can be bought out for 500K, he has no future with the sox. 3B - Fields - Yes: there are going to be some growing pains but he looks to be manning for the hot corner for the foreseeable future and should put up better #'s than Joe Crede. LF - Podsednik - No: Hopefully he can maintain his current pace, and we can move him in the offseason for something with a pulse if not don't offer him arb. CF - Erstad - No: hes always injured and that would be a waste of 3.5mil to re up with him this offseason. RF - Dye - No: Free Agent to be if we can't move him for anything at the trade deadline i'm ok with offering arb and getting two picks. So thats 2 starting position players. SP - Mark Buehrle - No: we're not going to pay him and give him the years SP - Jose Contreras - No: he's got two years left on his deal, i think he would thrive in the NL SP - Jon Garland - Maybe: we need to extend him, yes hes league average but he eats innings SP - Javy Vazquez - Yes: he's locked up till '10 and since the ASB last year has been above average SP - John Danks - Yes: hes the future of this franchise that makes 2 possibly 3 SP Bullpens always fluctuate and since we not going to contend for 2-3 years and jenks decling velocity and the fact that he does have two screws in his elbow doesn't excite me. so there you have it. IF I'm KW i make it a firesale just like the marlins and look to contend real soon try and make it as quick and painless as possible, start those cheap ticket promotions right away and have the marketing department introduce the new faces of the franchise. I'd rather blow it up then swim in mediocrity and waste payroll just save that money till we're ready to contend. These are the moves i would make Trade DH Jim Thome to the Angels for SS Brandon Wood AAA & OF Reggie Willits MLB & MI Sean Rodriguez AA Trade C AJ Pierzynski to the Phillies for RHP Carlos Carrasco AA & OF D'Arby Myers SS Trade 2B Tadahito Iguchi to the Cards for RP Chris Perez AA Trade RF Jermaine Dye to the Padres for 1B Kyle Blanks A+ & OF Chad Huffman A+ Trade SP Jose Contreas to the Mets for OF Carlos Gomez MLB / OF Lastings Milledge AAA & RHP Kevin Mulvey AA Trade SP Mark Buherle to the Red Sox for RHP Clay Buchholz AA & SS Jed Lowrie AA Trade CL Bobby Jenks & OF Brian Anderson to the Braves For C Jarrod Saltalamacchia MLB & RP Joey Devine AA & SS Elvis Andrus A+ Trade RP Matt Thornton to the Brewers for OF Michael Brantley AA & UT Vinny Rottino AAA Trade RP Mike MacDougal to the Cubs for Matt Murton AAA Starting at the top Thome has a NTC and likes Chicago, but he came here to win a championship and thats not going to happen with this current team. The Angels desperately need someone in that line up to help out Vlad. Wood has been moved to 3B but could easily go back to SS or move to the OF Cabrera is blocking him. They've got Figgins, Anderson, Quinlan & Rivera when ever he comes back(he began taking BP on the 18th) Willits is expendable. Rodriguez is having a bit of a down year at AA but he can do it all, and can play 2B or SS its always nice to have depth, also hes blocked by Cabrera, Kendrick & Aybar. AJP has some value and the phillies could use an upgrade there Barajas has been a disappointment and is nothing more than a back up catcher. With AJP moving to philly they could prolly convince rowand to stick around. Carrasco is having a so so year at AA and Myers is young, it'd be nice to have alot of young talented players as a second wave in our system. The Cards need to make some kind of move showing their fans that the season isn't over, Maroth was a start and Iguchi could be the finish, kennedy is horrid and Tadahito has begun to heat up, the going rate for someone of his abilities in my eyes would be a live relief arm. Dye is a no brainier; every team in the NL west needs a bat and hes a FA after this season, if we can't get good value just hold onto him and if we do get a good return move him. Both Blanks and Huffman are a ways away. Blanks is blocked by Gonzalez but has big time power and Huffman just adds more depth and adds to that "second wave" from our system. Jose is a league average pitcher with 2 years left on his contract at below market value, the mets could use some help in their rotation. One of Gomez or Milledge would have to come back. I doubt we could Humber or Pelfry but Mulvey seems like the type of pitcher the sox would target. Mark like Dye is a FA at the end of the season, but i could the the bosox extending him since shilling is a question mark and Tavarez is better suited for the pen. Mark is the best available talent on the block so we better be getting their top prospect Buchholz and Lowrie just adds more depth he could probably start next season if he had a good spring showing but another year in the minors wouldn't hurt him at all while we figure out what we have in Wood and Richar. Bobby is a luxury that we won't need and hes a huge risk, move him while he still has a ton of value. 3 years of Mike Gonzalez and Brent Lillibridge brought the Pirates Adam Laroche(.285/.354/.561 32HR in '06). Salty's value lies behind the dish and Wickman is getting it done but is a health risk, Bobby would only further shorten the game for braves starters. Jones is a FA after this season and they have no one to step in Anderson has been injured down at AAA and no longer wants to be part of this organization since they're aparently down on him. Devine was mishandled by the braves but looks like he could close in the future. Andrus is a young SS with all the tools that hasn't put it together yet, hes behind 4 others on the depth chart: Renteria, Escobar, Lillibridge & Fontaine. Andrus adds depth and becomes part of that "second wave". The brew crew has shouse but how long is he going to hold up? and Matt is under a cheap contract for a while, he looks to be putting it together again and going to an inferior league would help i imagine. Brantley put up good #'s down at A+ and was pushed up to AA sickels had a nice piece about him on his site. The Brewers outfield is pretty full for the future. LF looks to be Laporta CF Hall/Gwynn RF Hart. Rottino looks to be a super utility guy who can do it all. Mmac for Murton makes sense for both teams, murton has no where to play for the cubs and has above average potential, and Mmac is great RP when he is right. If your going to firesale do it right. Lastly i'd attempt to move Podsednik, Mackowiak, Cintron and Uribe for anything and BO Erstad. Heres how the roster would look going into '08 CF S Willits 2B L Richar 1B R Konerko DH R Murton C S Saltalamacchia 3B R Fields LF R Milledge/Gomez RF L Sweeney SS R Wood SP Jon Garland SP Javy Vazquez SP John Danks SP Gavin Floyd SP Gio Gonzalez/Masset The BP would be sorted out in ST and through out the course of the season. Devine, Haeger, Aardsma, Logan, Day, O Perez, C Perez, Vasquez, Masset, Broadway, Wing. C Hall UT Gonzalez UT Rottino UT Ozuna OF Terrero

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) My gawd, let's just revolutionize baseball. Trade every single White Sox player and see what happens. thats what the marlins did, and they were in contention for the WC the next season after they had sold everyone off and now this season their in the hunt for the east and the wc. IF im KW i move every one except the following Konerko, Javy, Danks, Garland, Logan. Jenks could fetch a ton of top flight talent. We could prolly get Murton for Mmac and if we send Thornton to the brew crew we could prolly get two C lvl specs(Rottino? Brantley?)

The D-Rays had their chance to move him this offseason when his value was realitvily high. The Braves offered Salty and Escobar but the Rays wanted more...opps. Rocco Doesn't have the arm he once had since he had TJ, and his closing speed in general isn't what it used to be because of his constant hamstring problem, hes going to cost a fair amount of talent and he has far to many question marks to him now, even though he is still young.

QUOTE(southsida86 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 08:11 PM) I'll pass on Nippert. A 26 year old pitcher with no major league experience is a non prospect. If a guy can't make the majors by age 25 then he's a non prospect IMO. Like Reggie Willits? yeah hes a real non prospect. he was a sept call up last season at age 25 he had 45 abs. same goes for hafner in 02 at age 25 he had 63abs for the rangers, the next season he was sent down to AAA Buffalo for a bit before being called up at age 26.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:01 PM) A few thoughts: 1.) Bobby Jenks probably has the most trade value of any player currently on the 25 man roster. The last closer I can think of who was traded at the deadline was Ugueth Urbina in 2003. He was 29, a 3 month rental and struggling mightily. The Rangers were able to coax the #31 prospect in baseball (Adrian Gonzalez) away from the Marlins at the beginning of July in exchange for Ugy. Now what if you put a 26 year old, hard throwing closer who is currently pitching well and still a year away from arbitration on the block? What do you fetch in return then? 2.) The Sox could hold the balance of power in both leagues with Buehrle and Jenks on the block. A team looking for a closer who's locked up for another 4 years and a top flight SP who is possibly a rental could sell the farm in a blockbuster deal to acquire both and make a push. You could end up playing 10 teams off each other for Jenks. 3.) Bobby seems to have an excellent reputation around baseball, considered by most to be a very good and reliable closer despite the fact that he has yet to pitch more than half a season of consistently good baseball. 4.) The guy is still like 50 pounds overweight, has been losing velocity since July of last season and has an arm that's being held together by a couple screws. I honestly don't think he'll make it to free agency before suffering a catastrophic injury or just becoming completely ineffective. 5.) If the Sox are going to truly rebuild, as in trade off most of the older, more expensive players for young unproven talent then chances are they're not going to be even close to competing over the next 2-4 years. Meaning a closer of Jenks' caliber really isn't needed and becomes a luxury at that point. And considering the kind of talent Detroit, Cleveland and even Minnesota are going to have on their major league rosters in the coming seasons I'm not sure an all out rebuilding phase would be all that bad of an idea. nice post Kalapse; you basically put all my thoughts together except with out the spelling mistakes. our division is only going to get better. I'll always love jenks for what he did in '05 but if we're not contending for 2 possibly 3 years, who is to say his arm and velocity will remain constant. Move him now kenny and rape someones farm, possibly the bosox. Mark and Bobby = farm system. Jenks and Papelbon are a very nice 1-2 punch going for the next couple of seasons.

QUOTE(chisox2334 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:46 AM) well kenny made deicison he will be making trades and is done with 2007 team per the score KW = Firestarter sorry i had to

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) Jayson Stark wrote today that the Braves jumped into the Buehrle fray. I'd imagine the first name mentioned after Buehrle would be Saltalamacchia. i doubt we get salty; but i could see us getting a brand new MI in Yunel Escobar & Brent Lillibridge and maybe Devine. I wouldn't be disappointed n that haul.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 10:58 AM) Murton's defensive woes are vastly overstated here. Every fielding metric I've seen rates him as an average or better LFer. UZR, which I think is the best system, had him at 11 runs above average in LF last year, and right at average in '05 and '07. LFers are bad fielders in general, and he's slightly less bad than is expected. His offense from a LFer is almost exactly average, slightly better AVG/OBP, slightly lower SLG. I don't understand why people would be opposed to a LFer with the same defensive deficiencies (not defiances) as Podsednik, who rates very similar to murton in LF, but who provides more pop, more OBP, and more health. whoops, see what happens when you start a topic at 3 something in the morning and just go along with the auto spell checker, you'll also notice the sub title is wrong. i agree about his defense being overstated.

ill be at the game, not sure if ill be reppin marlins or sox or both.

Mmac? and maybe perez? they're going through arms in their BP like crazy

Sent down to AAA Iowa for the cubs. We all know about his defiances in LF but he can't be any worse than podsednik had been this year. Personally i think he would be a perfect #2 hitter for this team going forward, and has been mishandled by the cubs ala Brendan Harris, baseball reference lists his comps by age as Kirk Gibson and Bobby Abreu. So i ask what would it take to get him? and do you want him?

i was under the impression that jose has a ntc until after this season, isn't that correct?

Now with the sox picking up Richar, I would deal Iguchi and Mark to the mets. Buy low on milledge and demand Fernando Martinez and Deolis Guerra. There will be plenty of teams looking to us for mark, we should get what we gave up for Garcia and then some. Martinez and Guerra would create a second wave in our up and coming youth movement along with DLS. Guerra is a long ways away, so i would try and get Stoner or Smith thrown in too.

I liked Cunningham alot, but after reading the scouting report on Richar, i must say this kid has the talent to play just about anywhere on the diamond. and he has all the tools.

In the words of pegboy "Sometimes when I get caught up, and a part of me starts to toll just can´t take it anymore The Darkness, The Darkness, The Darkness"

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 04:36 PM) Cardinals simply put just dont have the prospects to trade for Buehrle.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 04:36 PM) Cardinals simply put just dont have the prospects to trade for Buehrle. Rasmus and Anderson excite me.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) Either they'll select someone much higher than expected because of signability concerns, or we'll hear analysts suggest the upcoming 2008 draft is the worst in recorded history. I'd love to see a Tim Lincecum, Andrew Miller, Jarrod Parker type fall into our laps next season. But of course, we're probably going to get screwed somehow. I'd of loved to see a Rick Porcello type fall into our laps this year, that would've been ready to step up when our next window opens up....oh wait

isn't elbert out all season with an elbow issue? i could've sworn i heard rumors of TJ.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 04:34 PM) Dye for Kemp and Billingsley/Broxton, get it done KW Kemp will never play for the chi sox, ever. Abreu or Laroche, or that amazing defensive Asian SS who is hitting like there is no tomorrow, i think his name is Hu?.