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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) So the reality is, they are pretty identical players offensively, but Danks is a better defender. Looking at the numbers, you are vastly underrating Wise's defense. His career numbers are pretty impressive. Well above average.

Peppers has to have some sort of grounds for a lawsuit. Amazing how little you have to do as a student to be eligible to play.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) I think it's pretty obvious he'll hit below .200 again. But his dingers have been a big plus this year and his RBIs. Its possible, but not obvious. He only needs one more hot streak to almost guarantee it won't happen. Earlier he got it up to .215, went 2 for 27 and it only dropped to .205.

The Rockies signed Jeff Marquez to a minor league contract. I think Adam Dunn has a better chance of hitting .350 than Marquez ever helping the Rockies pitching.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) You're only saying that because of The Catch. Absolutely not. To this day, I have never seen the catch Per mlbtraderumors when Wise signed with Toronto in 2010: The Blue Jays have signed outfielder DeWayne Wise to a minor league deal, according to James Hall of MLB.com. Wise, 32, opted out of his deal with the Phillies on Tuesday. In 145 plate appearances for Triple A Lehigh Valley, Wise posted a slash line of .272/.317/.515. In his big league career, which has spanned parts of seven seasons, he has hit .216/.255/.380. Wise is known for his outstanding defense and has a career UZR/150 of 9.2 in the outfield.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) On this team, the smart move is to take the better defender. That is the primary thing we need out of our 4th OF, especially with Dayan Viciedo in LF. Wise is a decent enough defender. Its not like he's Ralph Garr. When rosters expand, defensive replacements will fit in nicely. From mlbtraderumors: The Blue Jays have signed outfielder DeWayne Wise to a minor league deal, according to James Hall of MLB.com. Wise, 32, opted out of his deal with the Phillies on Tuesday. In 145 plate appearances for Triple A Lehigh Valley, Wise posted a slash line of .272/.317/.515. In his big league career, which has spanned parts of seven seasons, he has hit .216/.255/.380. Wise is known for his outstanding defense and has a career UZR/150 of 9.2 in the outfield.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Wrong. I would have. It's not about the f***ing homer or his OPS in his 49 ABs. I happen to like his speed, his defense and his potential and prefer him to Dewayne Wise. Why do you have such a problem with that? You wouldn't have had as much company as you do today. Wise's OPS in the major leagues this season is .791 and he's better at stealing bases than Danks. I'll take the mediocre veteran over the mediocre rookie everytime in crunch situations. Sorry you have a problem with that.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) It's funny that everyone is harping on the homerun. No one except for Greg (bless him) has said that was the reason why Danks should still be on the Sox and that was in another thread. The Sox made a decision to go with a more experienced guy in Wise as their 4th outfielder for the next 20 days. I just happen to think Danks was doing fine in that role and there was no need for Wise in the first place. That said, I hope Wise does a Rennie Stennett in his next game and goes 7 for 7. If he popped out and didn't homer, there wouldn't have been complaining about a guy with a .260 OBP and a .520 OPS which is what he would have had, if not slightly lower,being optioned to AAA for 20 days. Most people who are very upset by this would have most likely thought it would be good for him to get some ABs, come back in September perhaps with a little momentum at the plate. There's someone on another board who basically thinks this move will either keep the Sox out of the playoffs or kill them in the playoffs if Danks isn't on the playoff roster.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) TRY THE VEAL EVERYONE! Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox Prior to tonight’s game @BlueJays, #WhiteSox recalled LHP Donnie Veal from Class AAA Charlotte. @KnightsBaseball That's Steve Stone's guy. He was the one who reccommended the Sox sign him.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 10:41 AM) But 49 at bats is totally large enough! And his defense is far better than simply solid He's a good defender, but he's had a couple shaky moments, so while he's capable of outstanding defense, I think solid is a good way to describe how he's performed. Wise isn't bad in the field. Probably not at Danks' level, but definitely good enough, plus he's used to hitting and playing off the bench.

All this Danks love has to be based on 1 AB. His OPS coming into that AB was .531. If the Sox miss him, they aren't any good anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:41 AM) And if that is the debate, I can always point out Jose Bautista. An exception, but when he was 25 he put up a .755 OPS. Does anyone really think Danks could do that?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:29 AM) So what? You keep riding that, some guys take longer to get to the big leagues. He went to college, he didnt start the minors until he was 22, Konerko went straight to the minors at 18. Look, I get it DA, you dont think he is worth complaining that he is going to the minors. I dont think it is a big deal either, i actually prefer him to get regular ABs for the next 3 weeks as well. But I certainly dont think he is awful and is never going to amount to anything. Generally, 26 year old back ups don't develop into productive players. Obviously there are exceptions, but the odds are heavily stacked against Jordan Danks being anything but a mediocre major leaguer.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) He hit he walk off game winner Friday that is the issue here along with the fact he made some very nice catches. He's a good fielder, even though he was shaky a couple of times in the field. His homer was the only thing of significance in his 49 AB. He only walked once, struck out 12 times, hit a few balls hard, but not many. He's certainly no difference maker and again its for 3 weeks.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:21 AM) 49 at bats. That was konerkos line over 3 seperate seasons. After 49 at bats? .195/.277/.195. Ops .472 http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...b&year=1998 What was Konerko, 21 or 22? Danks is 26.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) He been awful, and he needs to have a good road trip. Hopefully he hits four homers this week, and they can take down that ridiculous sign in right field. Yeah, 396 is getting a little rusty.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:49 AM) Ah, it was Lastings Milledge. Yeah, the uproar over Lilli being kept and Milledge released. At least in seasons past, there was reason to complain about something. The team is in first place and instead of being happy they took 2 out of 3 vs. Oakland and gaining a game in the standings, many are more concerned a 4th OF is being sent to Charlotte.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:46 AM) Our 3-hole hitter is hitting .177, with a .691 OPS since May 30 (62 games). So what. He draws a lot of walks. Dunn is a good guy to have on the team. Not at the level he is paid, but he shouldn't bat 3rd. His average is getting pretty low, but he seems to have some support at the .204 or .203 mark. When he dips this low, he's been getting it up to about .215 the last few times before tailing off again. He's due to get hot. They are going to need him to get hot, especially without Paulie.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 08:43 AM) Remember when they kept Lillibridge on the roster last April and sent down/released "I can't remember who they released"? I really don't think many realize Jordan is not some 21 year old phenom. He's actually a month older than Beckham.

I've never seen such dissappointment over a 26 year old with 49 career ABs and a .621 OPS being sent down to the minors for 3 weeks.

AJ has been a pretty good bargain his 8 seasons as the Sox catcher. He's averaged less than $5 million a year. Considering his workload, its been a steal.

On the Red Line to the game yesterday, I was sitting next to a scout for the Nationals going to the game to scout "for trades" is what he said. I didn't talk to him, a woman from Texas asking for directions did. He mentioned he was with the Royals and Dodgers previously. I googled him and he's Bob Schaefer. I don't know which team he was looking at or if he was looking at someone in specific, or just a general scouting assignment.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) Now your argument is that Myers theoretically would have lost the game, had he entered where Thornton did? Just wow. And way to throw Myers' domestic violence conviction into it as well, that's probably what caused AJ to throw the ball down the line against the Twins...or maybe it was because there was a baserunner in the way, but it might have been because AJ has a non-profit foundation set up to protect women from DV and he was deliberately sabotaging Myers??? All evidence to the overall success level of Myers with the Sox, especially against RHBers...we'll just conveniently throw that out. Fathom quoted the overwhelmingly convincing and weighted stats for those A's batters against RHP and LHP in the game thread. Patently obvious that Thornton wasn't the correct move from the very beginning, and shouldn't have been left in to face ANY righties. Thornton's fastball velocity was already down before this season...it's not due to his workload in 2012. It has been consistently declining inch by inch over the last couple of seasons. BTW, Thornton gives up a couple of cheap hits every other time he comes into a game. That's why he has given up more hits than IP. That's BAD if you're a short reliever...and it's a sign his fastball that used to get swings and misses just isn't blowing very many batters away anymore, at least not in key situations against teams like the Red Sox or A's. No, that's not what I wrote. My point was you and a few others would blame the game on Thornton no matter what happened. Thornton was blamed, the wife beater got a pass. It would have been the same had the wife beater come in first and performed exactly as Matt did and Thornton relieved him and performed exactly as Meyers did. No matter what, Thornton's fault. He got a ground ball to SS that was in between hops that Ramirez had to go back on and it was too late to get Cespedes. Then Cepsedes runs and Carter hits a pop up to 2nd but because Beckham was covering 2nd on a steal attempt, the ball is a hit. Thornton then leaves the game with the game tied. Meyers, who, historically, gives up more than a hit an inning, an indication to you he can't be any good, gives up a hit for the lead, and for good measure gives up an insurance run in the ninth. Thornton doesn't "miss enough bats" you say over and over. His k rate is down this year. Its 7.8 per 9 innings. Meyers career k rate is 7.3 and hasn't been as high as Thornton's 7.8 this season since 2008.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 10:06 PM) Wise was on waivers nobody claimed him so he was not wanted by any other teams and money was not the reason why. And any team could have had the legendary Jordan Danks this past winter for 20k when he was exposed in the rule 5 draft. No team even bothered. Wise is no world beater, and despite his exciting home run, neither is Danks. Its crunch time. Better to rely on mediocre veterans than mediocre rookies.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) And who hasn't been over .200 in the majors since 2007. And for anyone to think since he's having a big year in AAA, things will be different this time...............he's had 5 seasons in AAA with a higher OPS than he has this season.