Dick Allen

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:30 PM) It's not over yet. I remember a game when I was a kid where Bob James had a 4-0 lead and 11 pitches later the game was over 5-4 in Arlington. Probably the quickest 4 run deficit I've ever seen disappear in my life. Bob James sweat more than any person I have ever seen.

QUOTE (BFirebird @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:27 PM) I kind of like the..."It's all good!" Hawk got that from the Twins game where they missed the trap right? I wonder how long he is going to keep that. Was the annoucement today about expanded replay, including traps, coincidence?

I guess the wrist which initially looked like it would need surgery is OK. Big win.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:20 PM) I could care less what, for example, Caesar posts every minute of a game thread....I really could care less if someone is optimistic or pessimistic, it's up to them. I don't think you'll fine me jumping on anyone or picking a fight just to be ornery in a game thread. Your posts don't reflect that. Now just watch the game and enjoy the victory.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:16 PM) Once again, I think I have a right not to have much confidence in Jones and Thornton at this point. But, by all means, tell me how I should feel about them. Maybe you should be at WSI with that attitude... You're the guy who tells everyone what they should think, and corrects everyone's spelling. Why are you popping off?

Myers looks like Bobby Jenks after about a 30 day fast.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:08 PM) Whatever, just ignore everyone else for 3-4 pages who was saying the same things. You're a tough guy, really. Big internet enforcer of everyone's feelings and opinions. Take a look at yourself in the mirror when you realize this is an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. And the game we are watching is a GAME. And the team you want to win is WINNING. Yet look at your posts. You would think they are losing by 20 runs and are 20 games out of first place.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:07 PM) Danks is a very capable 4th OF. Speed, defense, and has looked fine at the plate. He can't hit. He had a few hits early, but reality is starting to settle in. He can field and pinch run, but you really don't want him at the plate when you really need a hit.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:06 PM) Yeah, Sox need a legit 4th outfielder down the stretch. Unfortunately, Jordan isn't a major league hitter.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:04 PM) It's still NOT worse than Thornton and Jones. Jones has put on over 30 baserunners in his last 10 innings. Crain was pitching in garbage situations, just trying to get back to his comfort level. Keep in mind, he rushed to get back onto the roster instead of taking the customary minor league rehab assignment like he should have. Maybe something to do with us being woefully understaffed and inexperienced in the pen now. So he was just going to turn it on today and be lights out against better hitters. Gotcha. Quit your crying. The Sox are winning.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:57 PM) There's no way Crain can be worse than Jones and Thornton have been recently. His last outing he went 2/3 of an inning and walked 3. The outing before he went 2/3 of an inning and gave up a homer, but don't let facts get in your way.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Jesus Christ. This is where the argument is that it WORKED, but it wasn't the right move and we got lucky as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take a pill. First you say Beltre is going to kill Thornton, then he walks and you deem that as another reason Thornton has to go. He let one run score when he came in with the bases loaded and one out against the heart of the Texas Rangers line up.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) ADA is always getting into incidents where it looks like he breaks his leg. He has a reputation of being a guy when he gets injured to look like he's on the brink of death.

Ozzie and Raines colliding in 1991 was brutal. Ozzie was never the same, it also led to Dale Sveum as the White Sox SS for a while.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:42 PM) Yep cause a whole three starts is enough of a sample size to judge it. Whatever man, like I said we can check back on this debate in a couple months and we can see. Yeah, whatever man. You make it sound like the guy never has a bad game and were willing to sell the Sox near future for 10 starts. What about that sample size? The facts are, and I know facts are something you have a hard time with when it comes to Greinke,1. the guy has some issues. 2. the guy didn't want to be a White Sox. 3. There's no guarantee he would have pitched at a Cy Young level if he were here based on numbers 1 and 2. and 4. he's gone through stretches where he hasn't been very good in each of the past 3 seasons. Its not worth what it would have cost for 10 f***ing starts. If the farm system was loaded, perhaps another story.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:31 PM) Well now the Angels do. The Rangers arguably do. And not to mention this move will set the Rangers off to go out and acquire some guys. Thus overpaying, and taking the chances of us getting someone that will actual be worth the cost slim. Sorry this is bad news. Finally, who is are 1-2-3 a guy who hasnt started a season in the ML or shown he can last the while season and a deep run in October, a guy who's arm basically feel off a few years ago and is back for the first time in three years who is always being overpitched, and a 23 year old minor league journeyman who is pitching lights out, who is also unproven in a full season. Sorry I think you guys are overvaluing the depth of our rotation right now. I'm personally very disappointed, and am deflated cause our chances of making a run in the playoffs just got a hell of a lot more difficult. Yeah, Zach Greinke's 6.00+ playoff ERA probably has most of baseball calling it a season.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) I wonder what other bulllpen guy, KW is going after.. I'd guess Brandon League or Darren Oliver Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi #WhiteSox haven’t ruled out possibility of adding another reliever, even after getting Brett Myers. Putz was mentioned a week or so ago.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:16 PM) Give me a break, MIL has probably had better attendance then us since he's been a Brewer and was pitching night in night out in sellout crowds during their playoffs run. And we are not some crazy big market team. Even Youk said the media leaves you alone unless you're the player of yhegame or something. Knit picking to knit pick. And finally clearly plenty of "big" market teams are interested, look at the rumored teams interested. And you aren't scouting a guy if your not interested. Of the Brewers 5 starters last year, Greinke had the 4th best ERA. How did he do in the playoffs? What happened in KC in 2010? He's far from a sure thing. If you're giving up a couple pieces of your future for 10 starts, there really is no room for error. One or two bad starts could easily make it a bad trade.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:12 PM) So everyone is up in arms with giving up a package for ZG, lol what do you think the Cubs or Rays will want for guys under contract for longer than this year. It will be a hell of a lot more than for Grienke. And you guys are worried about what we give up to MIL, I'm sure you will all be cool watching the guys we give the Cubs help them out "for years to come." and let's not forget Garza is out, hurt till after the deadline. But were okay giving up good players for someone who is hurt. KW did it for Peavy. I don't think KW is on Garza, but if he was, he would have his medical staff look at the MRI and determine the problem. If its something that is days, that's one thing, if its something that is weeks, you can't make the deal.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) Wow that's all I can say. Go look at stats before you just say the guy is eh just okay. Zach Grienke has some of the best stuff in baseball. Period. If you can get a Cy young player during a playoff run you do. And a career year, what a joke, I have posted his stats plenty. Dempster can't dominate a game with his stuff he is a location pitcher. And im sorry I don't want to take a chance on a guy who more than likely would get lit up by the likes of Det, NYY, TX, LAA. And let's not forget Dempsters horrible injury proneness. I'm sorry I just don't get how people can sit there and logically argue Zach Greinke is not one of the best pitchers in the game today. I guess all the scouts, writers, announcers, real baseball people that are around it day in day out are wrong. My bad ZG is a 28 year old lucky has been with his best years behind him. Forget his 122/28 K/BB average this year. And disregard his problems, and how many teams in large markets wouldn't take him for a fraction of the price he will ultimately cost. Steve Stone called him a small market pitcher. There are a lot of people who get paid a lot of money to make decisions in major league baseball who agree with him. Its also for 10 starts. You don't decimate your team for years for 10 starts especially if the guy has some issues mentally.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) If the Dodgers keep lowballing the Cubs, you definitely go after Dempster if you're KW. At least you try, even if there's not a match. Why do you have to wait. Just make an offer. I'd bet he wouldn't mind staying in town. The only question is do the Cubs really want to help the Sox win? That said, I'd be fine with KW acquiring a lower rung starter, but please not Vargas. He gives up way too many homers. If he made half his starts at USCF, it would be souvenier days in the bleachers.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:56 PM) Just like how many have argued this is a career year for Dempster, Greinke's fantastic CY season looks like a career year as well. He's never come close to matching that season. Dempster is incredibly underrated on here if you're looking for a 10 game stretch run from a pitcher. That's what I'm thinking and shopping for him is like going to Marshall's while shopping for Greinke is like Sak's.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) Dempster and his fragile self has never been out of the lowly NL central, furthermore has never been out of the national league. Zach on the other hand has won a Cy Young award in the American League and has a great history against the teams we would have to get through to make the playoffs/WS. And that's not saying the night and day difference in quality of stuff the both possess. Ryan Dempster isn't in the same category as ZG and we all know that. Please stop acting like Grienke is just some ho-hum pitcher. What happened to Greinke in the AL the year after he won the Cy Young? You make it seem like this guy is just automatic. He blew in the playoffs last year as well.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) I don't think KW will blink so the Brewers have to drop their price. It is pretty entertaining to read all the speculation on here. Looking like a back end rotation starter at best. That's what they need. Someone to get Humber out of the rotation when Danks gets back. Preferrably before Danks gets back if they can go to 4.

If KW was willing to trade Sale right now for prospects, the White Sox minor league system wouldn't be ranked near the bottom anymore.