Dick Allen

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 08:46 AM) Rubbing the mic against his pants while Hillary was speaking was weird as hell It's just so bizarre. I guess the good news for anyone who doesn't want him elected is he couldn't have appealed to anyone who wasn't going to vote for him anyways last night. And all the fact check sights indicate for all the lying he accuses others of doing, no one lies more than he does.

Trump couldn't even appoint a special prosecutor to go after Hillary if he happened to be elected. Must be some more locker room talk. What was with all his sniffling? Was he crying beforehand? Is he sick? He can't be sick, he has a note from some doctor that basically says he is the healthiest person who has ever run for office. It is too bad there is always a chance he wins, because all this stuff could actually be funny. That pacing and hovering last night was just weird.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 01:02 AM) Business 101 says it's never wise to rip on the people paying the freight. Mark In your estimation, how many people have not attended a White Sox game because Don Cooper complained about the amount of people who attend? I am not a big Coop guy BTW. But his comments, while I am sure the team would probably wish he would keep to himself, really don't do any harm. In fact, he does praise the people who do attend games. But at least up to this point, while I have seen many excuses why people don't attend games, and IMO if you don't want to go, that's fine, you just don't get $200 million free agents, unlimited international spending, etc., I have yet to see one person say they aren't going because Don Cooper ripped people not supporting the team.

Every team could use Sale. To pin one start or so as the reason they would "need" him at virtuously any cost I just don't think is going to happen. Porcello and Price were awful. Hamels was awful. It does happen. To me the real question with Boston is Porcello really a top of the rotation guy, or did he just have everything go right for a career year? It is possible if Sale started for these teams in the postseason, everything still would have gone bad. He wasn't exactly lights out against Minnesota the last game of the year. It will be interesting to see if any team is willing to pay the White Sox price, and at what level the White Sox are willing to go to get a deal done. I still think most of these proposals are overstated. I know Shelby Miller cost a huge price, and Sale is a lot better and will cost a huge price. But everyone knew the Miller price was ridiculous, and it not working out for Arizona doesn't help the White Sox cause here. Whether it is correct or not, similar things effect each other. If Abreu sucked, the Cuban players behind him would have received a lot less money. If Kaz Matsui was as good as advertised, Iguchi would never have been available to the White Sox at a bargain rate. Trading Sale with his contract situation is pretty close to unprecedented. It's one reason why I think there is a cap on what teams would be willing to give up, and while the package would be huge, not as huge as using previous trades and adding Sale's increased value would make it.

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) But..but...but...he was a private citizen then, he wasn't running for president then..listen, he wrote that book when he was in his 50's, he was a younger man then, things have changed.....?!?!?! It's OK to call his daughter a piece of ass.

Trump wrote in a book that people don't care about politicians private lives, just that they do the job. He was very sympathetic to Bill Climton.

The Ruth's Chris in Ann Abor gives a discount based on the margin of victory. It probably was hard to get a table last night at 78% off.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 10:45 AM) By the way, can't Jason Groome be traded this offseason? What about Benintendi/Kopech/Groome/Devers/Vasquez for Sale? (If they're adamant on no-Moncada). Of course, if our dumb FO still insists on Jackie Bradley as the centerpiece, then this is all irrelevant anyway. If that package was available for Sale, the trade would have been made in July. It wouldn't have killed their line up. As much as it makes sense Sale is worth all those pieces, the Sox aren't going to get all those pieces. It is too much for one guy who pitches once every 5 days. To replace that, it would more than offset the deal In which Sale is signed.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) He also called them "country cocksuckers". I could never figure out what a "country cocksucker" was... Maybe lower in rank than your standard "cocksucker"..? Elia made it about 3 more months before he was canned.. On other note, there was about 9,000 at the Elia Rant game against the Dodgers at Wrigley.... the game before there were 3.000 so much for superior Cub fan loyalty , I guess.. That was in 1983, Harry's second season on the superstation. As I stated before, then 1984 happened.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) He did wonders with the pen. He's overrated for sure. He also has the blame the fans mentality. In the Sox organization you can speak against the fan base and still keep your job. Lee Elia didn't get fired for calling Cubs fans unemployed cocksuckers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 08:18 PM) Well that would explain a lot of his last couple years if that were starting to go. Not really. He was the IL pitcher of the year in 2015. Might explain why he was worse than ever this year.He just sucks. IMO he became a robot and that is fine when you are going well, when thing don't he didn't really have another plan.

Even with Q and Sale 2 guys that if traded are supposed to bring enough talent back to set the White Sox up for years, they finished 14th in MLB in pitching the last 2 seasons. 27th in 2014, and 20th in 2013. Keepimg him is fine, but his Guru status with some is ridiculous. Coop will fix 'em has pretty much gone by the boards.

And this election is ova!

Texas is real sloppy today. It may be because they had several days off.

People who don't believe in pitch framing being legit need to watch this game.

Love the Drake.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) Lots (all?) of Trump's empire is organized as S-Corps, so profits and losses all flow through to the owner(s). If Trump Casino, S-Corp loses $10M in a given year, it's going to flow through to his personal returns. There are financial reasons to structure companies these ways but it'd been a while since I took 1 semester of business law and I'm sure Jason or any of the other financial guys could explain it way better. What's funny is all of the calling him a "genius" with the tax code. For some reason, I don't think Trump sits in his office until midnight on April 15th working on his tax return.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 12:01 AM) I'm more expecting a partial dismantling, which is to say at least one of the Aces is gone and probably a bat or two. I don't mind being mad as part of a rebuild. I DO mind being unwatchable in go for it every year mode. Their going for it mode is going to change. Hahn mentioned "half measures" which we all have termed half assed, as not working out. I agree a partial dismantling is going to happen, but I also think the half assed signings, are a thing of the past. As was pointed out, they are fine to fill a spot, but counting on several of them to work out is insane. It may happen, but you may win the lottery if you buy a ticket.

Frazier hit .169 with RISP and .202 with men on base and still drove in 98. You have to figure a bit of a bounce back next season.

QUOTE (Moe @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Cooper is the only lock, I'm sure, and I could see McEwing on the bench also. I'm not sold on Steverson- too many bad approaches at the plate! Hawk says Steverson says the right things during BP but when the game starts, the players abandon what he was telling them. At the event I was at, RH did say they knew the team would be OBP challenged, but did seem disappointed that no one really got to the high end of what they were projecting, so I do think Steverson's seat is pretty hot.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) I could see Super Joe McEwing being promoted to Bench Coach. I wonder if he would want to move on after being passed over for the top job. Trying to use logic, if everyone were coming back, I think they would have said something. There are going to be some changes IMO.

Minnesota's stadium is pretty outstanding.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 08:07 AM) Lol...GTFO. You literally pollute every thread with your constant need to play devil's advocate or simply pick a fight with Caulfield over pretty much anything he says. Meanwhile, I'm defending a big chunk of this board who believes Robin was a class act (see my post on page 1) but are objective enough to admit he's a bad manager (see all your posts). I'm not going to sit back while someone uses your token move, the gross generalization of the entire board, to troll us posters who had been nothing but respectful in this thread. Defending the board going in the Robin Ventura appreciation thread for more complaining? That's rich. It's also rich you mention my posts yet you feel it's OK for YOU to pollute an appreciation thread with more b****ing. The fact of the matter is Eminor is totally correct.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 07:24 AM) The vast majority of posters here primarily blame the front office and/or ownership for this mess. There are a handful of posters who think Robin is the primary reason for our recent failures, but they are few and far between. The truth is Robin is just one of many problems with this organization, and while a smaller one in the grand scheme of things, he's also an easily correctable one. These problems aren't mutually exclusive, so replacing Robin makes the team by even a single game the move makes sense. That's what most posters here believe IMO. This is the Robin Ventura appreciation thread, not the still b****ing about Robin Ventura thread.

My brother pointed something out to me. When Robin played, I really wasn't nearly the fan a lot of others were. We called him the Boy Wonder, and on occasion the Boy Blunder. I liked him, but I really didn't appreciate him as a player all that much. The weird part is many of those who just loved him as a player, hated him as a manager. I didn't love him as a player (although looking back, he was better than pretty good) and had no problem with his managing.