Dick Allen

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 06:50 PM) Doesn't the agreement start in 2017? I would think any changes to compensation would start next offseason due to free agents potentially signing , accepting/rejecting QOs before then. Manfred said it would be natural to wrap u the negotiations on the new agreement before free agency begins so everyone knows what the rules will be. There most likely will be something done with the QO system.

Cleveland still in good shape, but if Toronto's offense gets in gear, they can make it really interesting. Cleveland hasn't lost 4 in a row all year, so them not making the WS would be on par or maybe even a bigger gag than the 2003 Cubs.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) Why wouldn't it be? CBA changes? I am thinking free agent comp will be an issue.

I wonder if this pick will still be unprotected at the time of the draft. To be fair, why should the White Sox have to surrender the 12th pick to sign someone, when the Cubs would have to surrender the 30th to sign the same player? At the very least all non playoff teams should have their 1st pick protected IMO.

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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion. Take your own advise and put me on ignore. Do yourself a bigger favor and put the White Sox on ignore.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion. He didn't take over player development. He is Buddy Bell's lackey. Just like the guy with the Cubs works under McLeoad who works under Hoyer who works under Theo. BTW, the Cubs front office, all loyalty hires.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) LOL - you are funny. Colonel Complaint Officer Dick Allen, who spends 90% of his time around here whining and complaining about others when he feels they are whining and complaining about things, is now whining and complaining that nobody has whined or complained about Nick Capra in the past. Unbelievable! There's just no winning with this guy!! No, but the argument we complained plenty about him before, we just didn't mention him is you would have to agree laughable. 5 years of apparent failure, never a mention. A new hire, 0 days on the job, a total failure, White Sox loyalty hire. There is no realistic hire for this job that wouldn't have been looked at negatively. And it is a position those up in arms over this hire, didn't give a rat's ass about before Getz was hired. I wonder if the White Sox ever hired Terry Francona as a manager how the loyalty police would get around that one. 5 years in the Sox system, only left to join Buddy Bell's staff in Detroit.

Yeah, you need 7 years to perform brain surgery. You need 8 years to be Buddy Bell's assistant. LMAO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) Awesome. Then quit trolling people for doing so. Thanks! Good one. For a mod you sure do start a lot of arguments. You really should resign or be fired from that position so at least people could ignore you. Why aren't you fighting rabbit and Joshua Strong who said the same thing I did? Just remember, this is the post that sent you in a tizzy. There is nothing inaccurate about it. How many times has Nick Capra's job performance been discussed on this board? Getz has already received more play and he hasn't even started yet. This post has been edited by Dick Allen: Yesterday, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) Your argument is that because no one said "Nick Capra" that now it can't be talked about, is just being argumentative. Player development has been a central theme of Soxtalk for years, and you know that. This fake SAY MY NAME argument isn't really a thing. It is "rigged election" in terms of reality. Every Sox fan knows that player development has been a central theme of discussions for years, well except apparently you. I never said now it can't be talked about. Show me one post where I wrote that. I just said it was funny Getz is discussed more before he even started and anyone knows what he's about than Capra got in 5 years, when there was plenty of complaining that could have been directed his way. Even in the new coaches thread, not a peep about Capra's job performance. Quit making things up.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) 1. People can have a point of view on the Getz hiring without every having one on Nick Capra. 2. While Getz may know more than anyone here, that's not the point. The point people not interested in just arguing for the sake of arguing are trying to make is does he know more than other potentially available people out there who might have more experience than him? Or was this another move like so many in the past has been made where his simple association with the Sox in the past was the primary qualification the team was looking for. See Robin Ventura. The point is it's complaining about something no one ever considered complaining about before. Right up your alley. No one knows anything about Chris Getz's ability to perform the job, so it is assumed, just like with whoever they hired, that he obviously is unqualified and JR just went into his little black book and made a call to hire him. He is not an inside hire.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:49 PM) Blue Jays are just in a funk with the bats. Cleveland pitchers outside of Miller, Kluber, and Allen aren't even that good. It's the one downfall of HR hitters all over the place. You go into funks. They were last in the AL in runs scored in September.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 08:00 AM) You have latched on to that non-point pretty tightly. Again, there is no pre-qualification of needing to say someone's name to be allowed to talk about Chris Getz. Soxtalk doesn't operate like that. It's not a non point. EVERYONE thought Nick Capra was so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, he was never brought up on this board. Only when he had a quote about a player. Now it is one of the most imperative positions with the franchise turned over to Chris Getz who although he knows more than anyone hear, apparently doesn't know crap because he was in the White Sox system a couple of years ago, and this move will keep the team from winning for a long while. Its a mid level position at best.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) Another strawman. Again, people have talked about player development for years now. Show me any talk about the director of player development, then pop off,

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) As far as measuring failure and success in black and white terms, that's virtually impossible, since 65-70% of it is drafting talented players with major league ability. Simply going by the win-loss percentage of the big league club in 2018-2020 would be one indicator, but probably not the fairest one... So the hire is bad but we will never be able really tell. LMAO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:39 PM) Yet there are zero proved cases of interviews being done in either case, and the job was filled in less than a week. And there is zero proof that Getz was the only candidate. But go with it.

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:43 PM) Dick, even as the board contrarian....at this point, why would the White Sox deserve the benefit of the doubt in any sort of baseball situation? What have they done in the last 10 seasons to deserve any sort of trust? That is my point. This position didn't matter much until they hired someone and the thread is pretty much the same no matter who they hired. I think it is pretty funny Getz is a failure. We will see in a few years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) Why is that? Because they didn't hire from within. Why is Renteria an outsider but Getz an insider loyalty hire? Why didn't they hire him when he retired? Renteria has coached 50 more White Sox games than Getz played.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 07:02 PM) I would love to see who they interviewed. Who was it? I don't know, but I would guess they looked a few people.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) There is no replacement for executive experience, of which Getz has zero. This isn't a job like MLB hitting coach where you could argue experience isn't really necessary it's more about gravitas and ability to work with huge egos and get the best out of them. As Director, he will be responsible for the entire organization of the minor league instructional setup or by extension the people he hires will. Making those decisions will be the most important things he does. There is nothing in his resume that suggests he'll be a good executive and as anyone that has run a business can tell you it really doesn't matter how prepared or smart you think you are experience is by far the best teacher. Experience with your own decision making really. It's just a s***ty hire from a s***ty management team. He is still under Buddy Bell, who is under Rick Hahn who is under Kenny Williams who is under Jerr Reinsdorf. He may have a director title but he is still an assistant in reality. The buck doesn't stop on his desk. And he has 2 years experience with the Royals. He went to Wake Forest and Michigan, so he probably is pretty bright, and apparently knows a thing or two about baseball. Hopefully he knows a thing or two about developing talent, and hopefully Hostetler and his crew and Paddy and his crew, can put him in a position to succeed by bringing in some nice talent.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) I think your point is well-taken, but that doesn't excuse the point that they should strive to hire more-qualified candidates. The point I am making is perhaps this guy is pretty qualified. Maybe they did interview several others. He is a hire from another organization so it isn't like they remained in house. I really think if Getz came up with the Dodgers and never played for the White Sox, those who find this move so wrong in so many ways would be OK with it. He hasn't been part of the White Sox way. Again, we don't even know wher Buddy Bell and others jobs end and his begins. They probably have a pecking order, but the organization appears to use or at least imply they use a lot of collaboration. I don't know if he is any good or not, but the Twitter world baseball people seem to think he is a good idea. We will see. Sideways or up is really the only 2 was the arrow can point from here. This just isn't a loyalty hire. Maybe they don't hire him if they didn't know him previously, but it isn't like they have been dying to get Chris Getz in the organization in some capacity like they have others over the years. This is different.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 03:27 PM) http://mbpelicans.mlblogs.com/2016/01/21/c...-jaron-madison/ http://vineline.mlblogs.com/tag/jaron-madison/ Jaron Madison was DIRECTOR of Minor League Scouting with the Cubs before changing to Director of Player Development. The previous one, Brandon Hyde, had eight years of combined minor league managerial, minor league infield coordinator and 2 1/2 years as Marlins' bench coach, including one game as interim/fill-in big league manager. Experience...in other areas. For both. And it's pretty much impossible for Sox fans to question the job the Cubs do scouting. And until I mentioned him, you have never heard of him. How many of their draft picks are on their roster? How come you never mentioned Capra?

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) Scott is a good guy and sucks this happened. But also a reason I would never trust a scalper at a big game like that. https://theathletic.com/22249/2016/10/17/ho...-2-of-the-nlcs/ That's too bad. Last year I went to see Rush at the UC. My brother was in town and wanted really good seats. Stubhub was ridiculous, there were some pricey deals on Craiglist for tickets up front. I contacted a couple of people and told them we would pay them an extra $100 per ticket if they put the tickets on Stubhub. They wouldn't do it, so obviously phony. Wound up waiting Stubhub out and got 2nd row dead center for my final Rush show. But everyone needs to be careful. Scammers are everywhere. Stubhub has a guarantee.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) That Elliott pick doesn't look so bad does it? RB have been devalued the last several years, but he is top of the line, HOF type talent if he stays healthy. I wish the Bears had him.