Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) Ugh, same old tired argument. Apparently the 30 smartest & most qualified people in the world are currently managing MLB teams. Might as well shut down this site then. If fans aren't allowed to challenge poor decision-making or even deem a certain manager bad relative to his peers, what else is off limits? I guess the GMs don't make mistakes either, so us "arm chair" GMs really can't question them either. At least we're allowed to rip the players, right Tex? I find it laughable that people continue to defend a guy who literally had no coaching experience before taking the job. The entire hiring process was laughable, ignoring his complete lack of a resume and not interviewing any alternatives. No doubt we had to get the guy with the "Five Star General" traits before the rest of the league realized he was available. And I can already hear the next bulls*** defense coming: he played in the majors for 15 years. Lol at anyone who actually thinks that justifies his hiring. What I find odd is people with zero managing experience seem to think they know what the guy who had zero managing experience was supposed to do and would have done if he had said experience. Robin now has experience. More than anyone on this board. It's time to give the lack of experience card a toss in the trash. If it is so essential, how the hell does anyone here know what exactly he is doing incorrectly?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 08:07 AM) What will we possibly do without the brilliant mind and motivation of a great leader like Robin Ventura? Sign him to a 5-year contract today! Lock that guy up! Maybe tomorrow you will walk in your office and they will tell you that it's been great but you have to go. The company hasn't done as well as hope YTD, and even though it really isn't on you, they have to send some sort of message. I'm sure you would understand, and would expect the company to start doing better as soon as you walk out the door. The funny thing is, the Sox still ARE doing better at this point than most predicted before the season started. If you really could pin walking guys and not getting guys on 3rd base with no outs on the manager, I would be all for canning him. But for all the people who blast old school ways and use of stats, firing the manager when the players suck is the oldest of old school. There isn't a manager in whatever field they are in on this board who thinks they should be fired if the people working under them can't do the job.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) I'm not seeing an apathetic clubhouse. I'm seeing a group of players that were kicking ass just six weeks ago, but currently aren't getting it done. Some due to injury and some for other reasons. I'm also not seeing chemistry problems. Therefore, firing Ventura would just be a symbolic gesture at this point. As somebody else in this thread stated, it would be nothing more than red meat for the fan base. I don't think that it would motivate the team, either. It's more likely that it'd give the team the message that they're not responsible for their record. It would make more sense to "fire" a player that hasn't produced all season. Jimmy Rollins comes to mind. Exactly. And if people hate the decision making in the dugout now, why would they want Renteria to take his place when he clearly is part of the decision making? Or are they going to say he just sits there all game long and does nothing? They wanted to give him a lot of credit when things were going great. It's just like when many thought the White Sox would have a huge philosophy change when Hahn took the GM job. Why? He was trained by JR and KW and had been part of the decision making process for years. In 1986 if message boards existed, they wouldn't have been ridiculing the Hawk for firing Tony LaRussa. Sox fans hated him. Now they use it against Hawk for firing him. Joe Torre, a guy I think Robin is most like, was thought to be an idiot in Atlanta and St. Louis after he managed them. Then he got great players and is a HOFer. What gives? I read over and over and over how bad just about every player the White Sox have is in gamethreads, then they lose the game and it's why is Robin managing this team? I'm sorry, if people think this is a last place team, so bad, the franchise probably will have to move, no manager in the world is going to fix it. Get Melky back. Have Abreu be Abreu. Hopefully Shields pitches like a 3 or 4 starter, and get another bat. Everything should start rolling again.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 07:27 PM) Keep being an apologist for a team that hasn't made the playoffs for seven seasons going on eight. Greg Walker was the big problem when he was here. Not the players, not anything else. He gets fired, and the offense was fixed. Nope. I.would.rather the Sox do something player wise.it actually produces results.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) No, it's an attempt at fixing one thing we know is wrong and has been wrong for years. It really hasn't. no manager would have won games with the 2013-2015 White Sox. But keep kidding yourselves,

Firing Robin fixes everything.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) Please stop putting bench players and rookies in the 2 spot in the line up. Think of the bright side, if he hit him where he was "supposed" to hit him, they wouldn't have had runners on 2nd and third and wouldn't have scored anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Except at 5 times the commitment. He was my free agent of choice. Good thing Hahn doesn't listen to me.

Upton is Detroits Adam LaRoche

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) Why is Rollins being put at DH? He doesn't even hit well enough anymore to be the everyday shortstop. Because Robin knows absolutely nothing about baseball, refuses to listen to his coaches or superiors, and does whatever he wishes without repercussion just because JR is a loyal guy,. I wonder if people realized if he actually did everything he was "supposed" to do, like never playing so and so vs. LH pitching, never putting someone in a specific spot in the order etc., he already would have to forfeit just about every game, because he couldn't field a team.

Latos has been better his last 2 outings. Gonzalez got away with walking the leadoff guy a bunch his last start. I would imagine if Latos doesn't pitch up to snuff, Gonzalez replaces him. I don't see what is wrong with that. Latos gets the first crack.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 07:02 AM) All of a sudden $27 million is nothing. How much were we short on Alex Gordon, Dexter Fowler, and others? $27 million isn't nothing, and he is signed for the next 2 seasons as well. The Sox also have LaRoches money to play with, which they didn't when the others were a available. If he sucks, this will be a bit of a drain. If he can be a solid #4 starter, it isn't a lot of money in today's game. The Padres still will be paying him more than the Sox. I wonder what the breakdown is in Padres payments to the Sox, as far as what per season.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) Who is better at CF, Shuck or Eaton? It is that simple. Even Trout doesn't play 162 games. You are being ridiculous. Should Yost be blamed for the Gordon/Moustakis collision that screwed them both up? Shuck is probably the same in RF or CF. Eaton is far superior in RF and made a great play earlier. There are things you can put on the manager, this isn't one of them.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) I actually mentioned it last night, thanks for being around. Before joining the Sox Shuck had played 9 games in CF which came in his 1st year in the MLB. Somehow all the other teams he was on knew not to play him CF all year long. There is no reason for Shuck to be playing CF right now He played there several games last season and many games in the minor leagues over 300 games, he didn't play there with the Angels because they have this guy named Trout.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 08:39 PM) It is the position you put your players in.. Please explain a good reason for a guy whole has only 9 starts at CF with any team not named the White Sox when we have a guy who has played there for a few years in RF already? It is too obvious who should be in CF with Jackson out but for some reason Ventura can't do that. Eaton is a better RF. he is elite and made a great play earlier in the game. Shuck has played CF, besides, if Shuck was calling for the ball, the problem is with Coats. Did you ask why Eaton was in RF and Shuck in CF before the game? This isn't the first game they were set up that way. Joe Maddon put Bryant in CF when he never played there before last year. What an idiot.

Hahn told Levine this isn't their last trade and they have the money for more additions. Hopefully a good bat is available soon, and Melky comes back, Abreu gets on track, and the team should be back to winning some games. Personally, I think one of the big problems is they are letting good pitches to hit go by without swinging. Yes meatheads will be angry with you if you hit the ball hard but out on pitch one, but that is often a pretty good pitch to hit. It is where Sale got burned today.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Wouldn't have happened if Robin actually used a guy who had experience playing in center field with Jackson out. But nope can't do that...LOL. Mark Yeah, that collision was the manager's fault what a joke.

QUOTE (ronkark @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 07:28 PM) Why is reporting "Tuesday or Wednesday"? Players get dealt all the time and manage to make it in a day. We're freefalling and we want 3 more starts before he gets in there? I like the deal. Not gonna save season but he'll be solid. And i May be most excited at that pickoff move. Dude can actually stop a run game. Can you say that about any of our starters? For the most part teams steal at will. Be nice to have someone who looks at that stuff. Won't miss EJ. Tatis seemed to have upside but never know. Need a bat. Maybe two bats. And a real lefty relief pitcher. He wouldn't be pitching tomorrow. Monday is an off day. I would imagine he pitches Tuesday or Wednesday depending on who they choose to replace.

Personally, I would have waited this one out. Tatis is is a wildcard, so far away, so I wouldn't sweat his loss. EJ has had numerous chances and the same thing keeps happening. There is really no reason to think that won't change, I do think Shields is an upgrade over Gonzalez/Latos, but not a big one. I just hope they still have money to spend on a hitter, and maybe another reliever as Kanle doesn't look like a guy you really want to have on the mound now. Shields will give you an extra inning than the pitcher he replaces, that could help the bullpen. But they need to score runs. A positive is if he can pitch like a #4 starter, that is one less piece next season they have to acquire. Still, I would have waited a bit. Maybe with the owner's comments SD was going to get what they could for him right now, and they couldn't wait, but I see no reason why there would be much of a market for him.

QUOTE (ronkark @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Frazier career low .218 Abreu .251 with no power and horrible run production Shuck .130 with multiple defensive mistakes in 2 games. Rollins .222 and has yet to dive for a ball. Garcia .248. Remember his latest breakout last month? Uh huh. Navarro .226 Lawrie .251 is exactly what we expected when we got him. Sale - great start. Very disappointing last few. 2 K's? Albers - Junk baller. Jackson .259 and on pace for 0HRs. Oh and he's dropped 2 flyballs. Sands .241. 24K's in 54 at bats is remarkable. that's over 40% Avila .214 on pace for 0Hrs Rodon - Still waiting for some sign of further development toward supposed front of rotation potential we heard so much about. I thought 12-13 wins would show that. It's not there yet. Works behind guys. Throws way too many pitches. Purke - he gone Kahnle - no more please. This is vintage '15 Sox. But hey at least we got a declining, expensive fly ball pitcher in a homer park. He'll be great at eating innings while we don't score any runs anyway. Why do you watch the games?

Detroit was sitting first pitch fastball on Sale and he was throwing 92. He should think about breaking balls on pitch 1.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) Frazier knows how and Shuck played in triple A during his stint there. They are fine. A good backup 1B isn't a huge necessity. Yes. Saladino can play there, and Avila has played there for Detroit.

Hopefully he can hit right away.

About 10 years ago I was walking down Jackson and about half a block in front of me, a big commotion breaks out. It turns out Muhammad Ali was coming out of a building. I walked over, he was in a wheelchair. People were taking pictures. His helpers passed out little cards that said best wishes from Muhammad Ali with his signature below. I still have it. I don't know if he really signed it. Probably copied, but I have run into several celebrities and athletes in my life, and that was the first time even when I was a little kid, I was star struck. The only other time was a couple of years later when Michael Jordan was working out at my health club.

I just hope all turns out OK for Melky and his family.