Dick Allen

Guaranteed Money Pit Field.

and I get that, but somehow, as nice as it looks, its the White Sox and I don't think it will be a destination place nationally. Really, the only destination MLB parks are Wrigley and Fenway. I'd love for JR to build it. It's also predicated on its being built will spur the other development where companies would actually have to pay. Do you really think this park will get the others built? And if so, what kind of timeline? There are so many stalled projects.

Einhorn Field at Reinsdorf Park.

If you upgraded, like JR is doing , yes. JR doesn't NEED a new park.

So let me ask you, if you had 1 payment left on your mortgage, and decided you would get another 30 year mortgage as soon as you made that payment, you wouldn't consider that new? If they want to extend the hotel tax, by all means do, but redirect the funds to something else. I live in the Gold Coast. My next door neighbor got mugged walking her dog Saturday night at 9 pm. I'd like more cops.

So far the Bears have said they will ask for no public funds to build the stadium, but the other stuff, yes.

Yeah, it was on a tee, and i missed.

PR hasn’t exactly been a White Sox organization strength.

One big problem is it’s really hard to get witnesses to talk. If they do, they are next.

It shows how detached from reality this organization is. Using BPs determination they have a 0,0 % shot at the playoffs as bulletin board material? Has he looked at the roster? Saying these guys are playing for their careers, aren’t mediocre at best players always doing that? Or are these guys so super talented and we’re only available for peanuts because they sucked because they didn’t try? None of the spin makes any sense at all.

They aren’t going anywhere. And one thing about the renderings. As detailed as it is, you really can’t make out any suites. Was that on purpose.

So you think the owners want to trade a non revenue sharing team for one that benefits? Plus there’s the anti trust exemption to worry about.

I don’t think there is really much of a chance of JR moving the White Sox out of town. The American League wouldn’t want to abandon Chicago. There would be a honeymoon wherever he went, but it would be short lived, and when the see mediocrity at best, the new place will show you why MLB wasn’t there sooner. And they really don’t have the argument that teams that have left had. They really don’t have a stadium issue. They want an upgrade, and it looks fantastic, but they don’t want to pay for it.

It’s like laughingstock stuff.

I knew it was happening but sad to see him go. One of my all time favorite White Sox. On and off the field.

What about DePaul? Besides infrastructure, what did he get for the UC? And the Bears got more for their rehab than JR ever do. Probably made him jealous. And all have been net losers for the city and state.

This will be a state of IL play not Chicago. Last time, when they had a crumbling stadium and needed about a tenth of the funds they are now asking, and actually had an alternative to leave the state, the governor had to stop the clock and call in favors to get it done. This time? You really think people in central and southern IL are going to be onboard with this?

If it does, it won’t include JRs ask. They talk to the mayor and aldermen who may like it because apparently it transfers the responsibility of any shortage from the city to the state. Pritzker will be a brick wall.

I think JR has more than a couple of problems. First, office towers are not being built in Chicago anymore. One broke ground in 2023. None are scheduled this year. There are 9 projects with building cranes going on in Chicago, so not many high rise apartments being built either. That site alone, to get to what the renderings show, will probably need more than that. The state really isn’t in a position to give him a billion dollars. In fact, the only team who has ever received a subsidy of that amount is the Tennessee Titans, and they are the only game in town, and an indoor football facility. But I think his biggest problem is he has a state built park that appears to be in fine shape. He’s going to have to start telling everyone what is wrong with the park he basically chose. It will go on for years, but I bet the Sox wind up signing at least a short term extension to play at their current site. His best bet the next couple years is to make the team relevant. Ther looks to be over 20k tickets still available for opening day. People don’t care, and it’s all his fault.

Probably, but it's still Illinois.

They will be boring, but will win more games than last year. Not a lot, probably still over 90.

The benefit is minimal. Look at all the studies. What is spent there is not spent somewhere else. And if JR get what he wants, you will even get less as the sales tax there would go toward paying down the ballpark debt. The housing market is saturated, hence Lincoln Yards also at a standstill. Taxes are high enough. If you give the Sox what they want, you’ll have to give even more to the Bears. No way the hotel tax can cover it. Not even close. Related can more than fund the whole project with the TIFs. And if the White Sox park is the one thing that makes the rest go, THEY can give JR the sweetheart, near rent free deal he requires.

I’m glad the Sox got Moose. Can’t waste a year.

There are literally hundreds of companies in Chicago and IL that employ more people and produce more revenue , so make the state more money than the White Sox. I work for one of them. We rent a couple of floors in an office tower. Why doesn’t the state build us something nice and not charge rent? I really don’t think the White Sox have a leg to stand with MLB on moving out of town. It’s not like they have a crumbling stadium,. They have a viable home built to the current owners specifications which has had yearly updates. The South Loop site is better than their current home without a doubt. But for the state to build them another home is beyond silly. If Jerry wants the upgrade, he should pay for it himself.

They kind of have a point. The Sox and Relateds whole pitch is build the park and everyone will be so excited companies will line up to build apartment towers, office towers, restaurants, bars, retail…it’s kind of funny some actually believe it.