Dick Allen

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:55 PM) See below. I highlighted the important parts for you. Full disclosure: this is from the NFL's 2012 Case Book. They haven't published one online since that year. However, I reviewed the 2013-2015 rule changes and none of them had to do with this scenario. I'm a referee, so I'll help break this down. A.R.'s ("approved ruling") can be confusing to people who aren't familiar with them: A = Kicking team B = Defending/Receiving team B10 = Defending team's 10 yard line (spot of ball) B17 = Defending team's 17 yard line (spot of the holder) A4 = Player on Kicking team B19 = Defending team's 19 yard line If the kick is blocked they aren't going to get another attempt. He called his final timeout with 7 seconds left. So 7 seconds on the snap, even if your scenario is correct, which it isn't, with no timeouts left, how in the world would they have time to attempt another FG? It was dumb. A very slim chance they score on the kickoff, but they should not have had the chance, and calling TO with 7 seconds left guaranteed that. Make sure after the kick you can walk off the field.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) Yes, I understand a blocked kick is touched by the receiving team. The rule states that the ball cannot be touched by the receiving team "beyond the line" of scrimmage. 99% of the time, that block is going to occur at or behind the line of scrimmage, whether it's penetration from up the middle or around the corner. So yes, a blocked kick can be recovered by the kicking team and they'll keep possession. You are incorrect.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) That's not true. Rule 9.3.1 of the NFL Rulebook states otherwise: I totally nerded out to look that up, but it took me about 2 minutes to find that info. I think it's important to know the rules before criticizing a coach. Either way, it's a moot point. We won. You do understand a block kick is touched by the receiving team. Besides, there are 7 seconds left and no timeouts. Even a bad snap the extra second isn't going to help you. It was dumb of Fox. In OT teams kick on first down all the time. They don't get 4 chances to make them. They get 1. Now a bad snap and they recover, then you're right, but 7 seconds and zero timeouts throws that out the window.

If Stone is negotiating, he obviously will have a say. Maybe Chip Caray can be like he grandpa and work both sides of town.

It was Levine reporting he was retiring.

81 games of Beltin' Bill Melton would be the best comedy on TV.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) Just Google. Well, you may have to buy some books, come to think of it. There was a big sabermetric push into understanding the effect of managers the mid-2000's, much of which was published in anthologies like Baseball Between the Numbers and The Book. I saw a study that showed an incredibly strong correlation in Manager of the Year Voting -- it's essentially always the manager of the team that exceeded expectations the most, no matter what, indicating that we have no real criteria other than assuming something magical must have happened. Joe Torre was awful for much longer than he was legendary. So was Tony La Russa. So was (is?) Terry Francona. Joe Maddon is great when his top prospects turn into stars, but very bad when his top prospects bust -- and they've done both under him, suggesting that he just may not be the cause. Studies have shown that "good team" is an excellent predictor of "good manager," but "good manager" is not a statistically significant way to predict a "good team." The gels nicely with the fact that one of those quoted phrases can be measured objectively, but the other cannot. Anyway, I don't have a reading list to link to, sorry Just look at Jim Leyland's career. His first 4 years were very similar to Robin's. Then his players developed, they were great for a few year, became free agents, Leyland starts losing. Goes to the Marlins, they have good players they win 92 games, they sell everyone off, the next year they lose 108. Goes to Colorado, they lose 90, goes to Detroit, and he's good again.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) I wish we hired the Red Sox announcer who is now joining the Padres broadcasting team. I have a feeling the Sox will hire a guy like Eric Collins. Cancel that. He is the Hornets new PBP guy. I just hope it isn't a rotation.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) In my post you quoted I said why doesn't he just get a place to stay in the city for home games. You are avoiding the time zone issues and aren't forced to eat out all the time. If it was me, that's what I would do, but it may be a good thing this is what he decided. I would imagine you could attract a better part timer if they were just based in Chicago, and not doing road games only. What I don't understand is why he's doing the 2 Cubs games. Maybe with the 4 game series 2/2 that's when he gets a hotel in the city.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) Are the 5 months (6 if you're the Sox) he has off a year not enough to be around his grandkids? He spends the winter in Orlando. Golfing with Arnie.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Two teams. #1. Nationals. #2 white Sox Teams #1 and #2 played below expectations. Team #1 decimated by injuries, but finishes above .500. Team #2 healthy all year, finishes below .500 #1 and #2 played crappy defense Team #1 fires their manager. #2 retains their manager I'm not saying RV should or shouldn't have been let go. However, the organization loses all credibility when there is no standard for accountability vs performance. The notion that they are trying to do the best they can to put a winner on the field, holds no water If the White Sox ship a bunch of players out, they are showing more accountability than firing a guy who makes out a line up card. Hahn has already said, the roster is on him. Accountability. If they don't make changes, you have a point, but I find that highly unlikely.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:56 AM) Glad everyone else thought it was weird that road games were easier. Couldn't he just get a hotel in Chicago for a home series? Same...kinda thing right? He hangs out in the hotel and takes the team bus to the game. Much better than driving 4 hours a day. If anything, keeping a 74 year old off the road 4 hours a day is probably a positive for anyone else on the road.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Well, sorry Trayce. You aren't going to start next year because if you fail I may to say that you shouldn't be starting, which is very bad because the worst thing in the world is to re-align your views based off more information! Yeah, that is exactly what I wrote.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Question is: why the f*** would you live in Granger, IN? His daughter lives there, and his grandchildren are there.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) I would sometimes wonder how long Hawk can keep up the drive he has to the ballpark. He's getting pretty old, and not living close by makes for a heck of a commute. Staying at hotels and riding buses to ballparks is a different story, and so I can understand doing road games. He probably still loves being on the road, too. Good for Hawk. If it were me, I would do home games, and hire a driver. Of course, Granger wouldn't be where I lived, but if I had to..........

The Swirsk won't be the replacement. He does the Bulls which can go into June.

Only road games? That makes no sense, unless he just doesn't want to make the drive anymore.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) That's the key point. Obviously not all .230 seasons are created equal. There's Adam Dunn .230 and there's Brian Anderson .230. Trayce's .732 OPS people are citing is basically league average. Most would be just fine with that. I think if Trayce hit .230 over the course of a full season, his slugging pct. and OBP would be a little lower than it was in September.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) Everybody keeps focusing on just Ventura--the ALL need to go: him, Hahn and ESPECIALLY KW. Time to clean house. Unless you want to spend another 10 years at the bottom of the AL central. But hey, 2005 was great, wasn't it? Actually, 2005 was great. Yes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) .225 in 2006 isn't the same as .225 in 2016. When it gets down there, it's not much different. If Trayce is a .230 hitter, those who think the Sox need to build around him now will be calling for his head.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) well i wasn't going to go there, but i am glad many posters are looking with both eyes open. TT will compete for the 4th OF'er. for those who think i am wrong, how many times does a player / prospects comes up and performed better than their minor league stats. defensively he may be elite but the sox also needs someone to hit. i wish i was wrong. he is a 200 - 230 avg hitter with nice power and great "D" 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Not denying that in a vacuum it's hard to quantify what a manager brings. But when you take everything into consideration from the lack of experience when he was hired, and sloppy, under-performing teams over the last few years, the right baseball move would have to make a change. And it has nothing to do with appeasing fans. 29 other teams probably would have made a change today because that's how it goes. Or you take a new approach, get good players, and watch the guy suddenly become a genius. If Robin's first 2 years were 61-101, and followed that up with 66-96, should he and would most teams have dumped him, and never given him another job? That is what Joe Maddon put up with crappy players. If anything the old adage, you can't fire all the players, so you fire the manager is something the White Sox are not doing. That they are going to be firing players, is something that should be applauded. It's new thinking. If the players are crappy, the team will be crappy, no matter who is making out the line up card.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) It's amazing to see how bad Colin Kaepernick has become. I don't think he will be starting in a week or so. Do you think it has more to do with the downgrade in talent around him, or are defenses starting to catch up to these types of QBs? IIRC, he made his first start vs. the Bears, and the Bears had no chance against him.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) Right, but if the kick were blocked and we recovered, there's a strong chance that we would lose 5-10 yards on the play, thus making it a 59-64 yard field goal. Which is why I still don't get why Fox didn't wait longer. Once you attempt a FG even if it wasn't 4th down, if it's missed or blocked, you don't retain possession anyway. It made no sense. They were out of TO's so if it were a bad snap or something they were SOL anyway. I realize running one back afterward is a longshot, but why even give them a chance?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 08:17 AM) What about Puig + pitching prospect for Quintana? I love Q, but the team needs hitting but I think he is more valuable than Puig so I'd like for them to grab a prospect in a deal with the Dodgers. I would love to see Puig as a White Sox. It's the one Caulfield obsession that actually makes sense.