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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 06:27 PM) Well, I'm neither...but I think that in terms of cleanliness, safety of the food, and carefulness of preparation, hunting your food is probably better for you than eating a burger from a cow raised on a factory farm next to who knows how many diseases and slaughtered in such a way where fragments of its brain stem wind up ground into meat. No matter what your view on hunting, I thnk it lessens the argument if you are anti-hunting and eating some ground cow from Brazil. Balta, I wish all sportsmen are careful when processing game, I take mine, after field dressing, to a commercial processor so some of those same issues could be present.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) National Orange and Maroon Day Nationwide Orange and Maroon Day has been established to encourage individuals to wear Virginia Tech colors this Friday (April 20). These "spontaneous" tributes seem so lame and stupid.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 11:00 AM) There's a shocker I love animals* *they're delicious I kid because I care ™ : but they are delicious. Roasted, fried, baked,

You can follow someone down a path and never see what they see, never feel what they feel. We may come to know him, but I doubt we can ever understand beyond some Latin labels.

Predicting the future . . .

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) I am sure that is true but I was responding to the notion that there are certain hunters that need to hunt otherwise they and their family will die. I find it hard to believe that a large number of people in our country are in that situation. But who knows...maybe I'm wrong. No, you are right which brings up an interesting question. I once knew a guy who was out of work and refused any sort of public assistance for himself. He allowed his wife and kid some help, but he was going to provide for himself and supplement the family freezer. Long story short, he's in front of a judge for exceeding the legal limit for small mouth bass, his defense to the Judge was God put thme there for his people to eat, and he was out of work and trying not to starve. He still was fined, etc., But it made a strong point to me. Are y'all suggesting a new government agency to track mental health records? How about someone who visits a private Doctor and is never hospitalized? Which government agency would you have tracking that information? Would that not stop some people from getting help? s***ty situation, I agree. But if we create some new tracking system, and it chases people away who need help, we may be creating a worse situation.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 04:36 PM) There are hunters out there that don't hunt for sport. They hunt to feed their family. Depends on how you are defining feed their family. I'd say close to 95% are hunting for the table, if not more. There are some who want the trophy for their wall, or who donate/give away the harvest, but most will process/have processed the meat for their consumption. Hunting, unlike fishing, isn't "catch and release". With the exception of Soxy that I know of, the rest of us enjoy animal flesh and muscle. Harvesting your own meat is a great experience and connects you with nature and its' bounty. Or, I've known a couple, it will turn you into a vegetable hater and you will only feast on the raw or cooked veggies that nature also provides. And while a lot of hunters also fish, there are waaay more fisherman than hunters around. It's just so expensive to hunt and good land can be tough to find. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 04:56 PM) Ok, now this is just getting excessive. Forget the concealed weapons debate for a moment here. Can someone please explain to me exactly why a person who is found mentally ill and potentially dangerous by a court of law, has been committed temporarily to a mental institution by his parents, and is if nothing else a potential suicide threat should be allowed to walk into a store anywhere and buy a couple of guns and a mountain of ammunition? A criminal background check would not have turned up anything that would negate his right to bear arms. His medical history would have possibly been confidential, and unless Illinois changed since I lived there, that reporting is voluntary by the applicant. FOID Application Here As I suspected, self report any mental problems. Is there a clearing house for that information? All he has to do is lie. And remember only criminals would do that.

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QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) I'm guessing vitamin water will pick up that tab. And send an extra $10k to the league for getting them in the news again You are being fined for giving free advertising, and we'll give them even more after everyone has forgotten the original infraction. Part II Jimmy Mac

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) Well you got one thing checked off your list I figured that would be easier than Asshat trying to pass your post count

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 09:14 AM) You'd be surprised at how many English majors can't write worth a damn. I'm an engineer who hasn't taken an English class in over 4 years and I still make less grammatical mistakes than some senior English majors. In researching changing my major from Psychology to English I was pleasantly surprised, and slight mortified, to learn that grammar is not a required course.

Kids like me, adults respect me, and I left the earth a little better than I found it. And for being the world's oldest living person.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) Nobody is more misinformed about guns than the media. They actually said something along the lines of "He used a .22, that's a very powerful gun." They also harp "semi-auto" over and over again. What handgun ISN'T semi-auto? Revolvers would not be considered semi-automatic. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 10:55 AM) I remember this from my ballistics class. The instructor put 2 guns side by side. One was this pussy looking .22, and the other was a Glock 9mm. He then asked which one will you rather not get shot with. Everyone looked and said, the 9mm. More power. The instructor said he would rather get a round from a 9mm. Its a high velocity round, and a lot of times runs right through you. While the .22 is a soft round, and has a tendency to ricochet through the body creating a lot of secondary damage. This is the round where you see someone get shot in shoulder, and the bullet winds up in the liver. People think its a glorified BB gun, when it can and will kill you. An FBI agent once shared with me that he, and many of his colleagues, are more nervous from a .22 than a large handgun for another reason. The guy pulling the trigger is usually more intimidated by the 9mm and would flinch, start to recoil, etc. and many times drop the weapon after the first shot. The same guy with a .22 would just keep blip blip blip and is much more likely to hit you. I don't know about y'all but I'm much more accurate with a .22 than something larger. I also learned last night that many ROTC units have quit shooting .22 after a tragedy at a range. They have switched to non lethal weapons. I've been meaning to google that.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 09:40 AM) I'd rather have less blood baths and sad hunters than a society of trigger happy criminals. Take up fishing. Whaaaat? How is fishing and hunting even closely related? It's a logical as saying stop playing baseball and start boxing. Just a minor note. Carry on.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 10:28 AM) I used to throw eggs at phelps when i was a student in lawrence..he loves his little attention. I hope your aim was true . . .

One of my favorite volunteer activities is sitting on Eagle Boards of Review, the final step a young man takes in becoming an Eagle. The two young men I met tonight make me feel very secure in our future. I could go on and on about both of their character, their ability to articulate well thought out concept and abstract thoughts. One has been accepted and is on his way to either Stanford or MIT, the other is a H.S. Sophomore and looking towards Texas Tech. They are involved in a wide range of activities and the kind of kids that any parent would be proud to call their own.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 06:48 PM) I think most of his congregation is his own family. And the interviews I've seen, they believe it as much as the old man.

One of my Scouting lists reported that one of the wounded was an Eagle Scout and applied emergency first aid to himself and probably saved his own life.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) So, do you think he should be allowed to bring a group of protestors to the funerals? lets say they decide to protest on public land near the cemetary or church were services are being held, yelling through bull horns about how the kids 'got what they deserved'. Remember, you support protestors at funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq. not trying to start a fight, just wonder if you think these are "different". I support the rights of this human garbage to legally protest within the confines of local laws. It proves how strong our system of self government is and how we value the rights of individuals no matter how despicable they may be. When these idiots have free speech rights, I know that others have not unjustly lost theirs.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 05:52 PM) That is an impossible question to answer. We know that zero was too few. The positives far outweigh the negatives. No, we know that two was too many. That is an absolute fact. He doesn't have a gun those people are probably alive. We can debate whether a few more people also firing would have added to, or subtracted from, the total.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) A piece of data probably worth adding to this discussion...in 2005, according to the FBI, there were a total of 5 murders on college campuses nationwide. That seems low. Glad to hear it, with my son packing off to school in a few months.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Again, you assume that everyone in the class or school is packing heat. Even in the most gun crazy of states, that would not be true. While the gun laws vary from state to state, not everyone can get a gun, and not everyone who has a gun can get a concealed carry permit. So how many, would have been too many, in this instance?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 02:25 PM) Let me put it this way...I think that emergency management involves a specific set of skills that not necessarily every good manager would have. You have to be able to coordinate sudden shifts in everything under you, have half of your people out of contact, not know which information you're receiving is credible, and still manage to follow your procedures. With experience, I think that a lot of good managers would become good at that job. But I wouldn't want to just give it to a good manager if that manager had no experience in dealing with exactly that sort of crisis situation, even if that good manager was the richest man in the world. Anywho, it's not like we even got good managers into those jobs, so dah well. All things I agree with. I was thinking more in generalities, for example, I could see the CIA Chief coming from outside the Agency.

This is getting no where, so one post and I will probably shut up unless someone has a question. The scenarios I see with more and more people carrying. Guy robs a C-store waving a gun around. he's not planning to shoot anyone, (stats show there are more armed robberies that shootings). Cashier hands him the cash and off he goes. With more guns, he waves the gun and some good Samaritan pulls out a weapon and shoots, maybe they hit him, maybe not. The robber also starts to shoot, maybe he hits someone, maybe he doesn't. You see someone stopping this guy at VT before he killed more, maybe their shot(s) hit the mark, maybe more bullets flying results in more people getting hit. I see good Samaritans shooting while diving for cover and from too long a range to be accurate. So I see the potential for more deaths and injuries as well as the potential for less. I see more road rage turning ugly, not less, with more guns in people's hands. I see more domestic violence with more guns, not less. I see parents showing their kids by example that we should be afraid of everybody and violence is the answer. Deer and doves should fear me, others should not. Paper and clay are endangered around me, people are not. I believe the framers of the Constitution were smart enough to know they could not envision the world in 200 years and put in the ability to make changes. They also wisely made it very difficult.