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Would anyone give Hahn some slack if it turns out deals he had in place were vetoed by JR or Tony? It seems Tony was hired without his involvement. He's going to be back. I don't want to spend *my* winter bitching about the organization. So I'm just going to hope this was all Tony and JR's mess and there is a fix.

A top tier staff filled with broken s%*#, aging vets, and overrated hacks. Seems like Menechino is dealing with the same issues only worse.

If this team played to their potential. The potential most everyone here thought was possible. A division title and a first round playoff win. Would there be a fire Hahn thread? Was the lack of success Tony and the friends and family coaching staff he put together or most everyone misjudged the talent on the roster? I'm all in on the fire everyone bandwagon. I'm just fascinated by Hahn's situation. Usually I judge the GM on opening day and what happens after that on managing and coaching. Using that formula Hahn isn't looking like someone that should be chased with pitchforks and torches.

Most hitting coaches could get quality at bats from Harrison, Garcia, and the rest. Hahn handed him a gold mine of talent that he squandered. Or, like Katz, he was given crap to work with and the results show it. I honestly don't know which. Initially I really thought this roster sucked. Then when everyone here and the betting lines had them as a top team, I began thinking I was wrong and Hahn put together a decent roster. Coaching or bad players? When is a bottom five franchise probably both.

Nor should they. I'd do that out of respect to the HoF.

Black Sox. Nearly destroyed baseball. Would anyone here give JR a pass if it was learned his team threw last year's playoff series because he was cheap? But I'll give you Charles as your #1. Anyone you want to fit in between? One hundred years of other owners to choose from. I'm not saying he's a good owner, I'm suggesting this is one of the worst franchise in all of sports. It was when he bought it and it still is. From the lowest paid to the owner's box, they all suck and have for most of the 100 plus years.

I don't believe Chicago was as unpopular as Florida with the local fans.

Stadiums aren't built anymore for the average fan. Lux suites and television are far more important.

So you'll be happy with another no money owner? It's a long history of owners, managers, coaches, scouts, secretaries, janitors, and players not winning anything.

So where does JR rank? I'll give you Charles in first. Although I imagine in today's world he might have been forced to sell after the scandal. Sadly Charles was one hundred years ago.

No doubt about it. Even JR JR has to see it.

If you ignore the Black Sox scandal. JR got the team into a great stadium deal. Where are you going to put JR? He's got to at least be second.

It is interesting that Tony's fault was not holding players accountable and not getting in their faces enough. That was the opposite from what many people predicted would be his demise. He let the players determine their own fate. Now we're hoping for in your face motivation. I never would have predicted that.

And will leave as the most successful owner in franchise history. From championships to return on his partners investment.

Huh? Katz never played in the MLB.

Using the same argument and logic. What do you think @Look at Ray Ray Run

He was another friends and family connected hire. No MLB experience as a player. Yet, I'm fine with him staying.

702 in his final regular season game. Made Cardinal fans love the DH. See you in the HoF.

The average MLB salary should be around $9 million per player. Five million for a ten year veteran should be the norm.

The girl was chastised by the boys mom for not showing enough enthusiasm. She had no clue he would ask. It's their first date. Now homecoming mums. It's a Texas thing. It's crazy. They start out almost like a corsage. Then https://totallythebomb.com/in-texas-mums-the-word

I disagree. Five million should be a utility player salary. Remember the lock out and the negotiations? We don't want owners to make any money. Unless the minimum player salary is in the multi millions owners will get richer.

And people are disappointed they didn't win the division. They should have known this team couldn't win.

Among other Sox items accumulated through the years is my hitch cover. I took it off for my summer trip, expecting to put it back on when I returned in a couple months. Yeah, it's still sitting in my under seat storage. So far no student has remembered me wearing a Sox jersey to school for opening day (cool school tradition). This weekend the only large tumbler that wasn't in the dishwasher was a Sox Tervis model. I washed a yeti by hand instead of seeing the logo. I'm very stealthy now. I've hid any reminders. I'm going to sneak in the Astros and Cardinals bandwagons because of friends I see every day.

When Tony was hired many people thought his hard ass style wouldn't work with today's players who expected to be treated as adults in a more collaborative environment. The predictions were he wouldn't put up with the antics of modern players. Seems he allowed them to "do their thing" a little too much. So this was a surprise.

f*** JR and his partners. Every player deserves more money. Has everyone forgot the battle the past off season?