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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 4, 2008 -> 04:54 AM) well, the fact that the Dodgers only offered Loaiza for Uribe should be an indication of how much they thought of Uribe. Or how much they thought we thought of Loaiza. I think yours is closer, but do not estimate the chances of finding a GM who is over valuing someone in your system.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 07:50 AM) Yes, its Tesla, as in Nikola Tesla, one of the true geniuses of the 20th centurty. Screw Thomas Edison, this guy was responsible for some of the greatest inventions and innovations of our time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla most underrated scientist ever.

A town decides to not spend the town's money on a play that the town's citizens may find offensive. People outside the town, demand that the play be staged "for the good of those citizens". That is civility and manners. Too bad manners and civility are no longer in fashion. This play would be great staged somewhere other than in a public park. So now public parks must be R-rated? When people cannot differentiate between a good time and a place for something and a poor time and place for something, the rest of the world should just go along with it? I'm done. It's obvious why this place becomes such a hell hole at times.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 05:13 PM) what is this great argument you think you are making? Yes then, there is a difference between starting to stage a musical then stopping because the award winning musical that families can go see "RagTime" has the N word in it. Because another theatre might not choose it for legitimate reasons like staging or cost, not because they are worried about a hypothetical scenario that would be easily explained anyway. If only the play had just excessive violence, then it'd go on without a hitch. I thought I was writing clearly, but since you still don't understand my "great" argument, let me try one more time: I believe that not offending people in an open air public park is a legitimate reason. It use to be called manners and civility. You obviously disagree. I believe that parents have a fair expectation when visiting a public park to not have their young children exposed, by a staged event, to concepts that may be beyond their understanding. You disagree. It would seem that you think anyone should be allowed to subject your children to whatever language, concepts, etc. they want. I disagree. So they decided, for their audience, a different musical would be better. You disagree.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 05:02 PM) Well I respect that they have a right not to stage a play but that doesn't mean I have to compliment them and pat them on their back, tell them this production of High School Musical was wonderful for EVERYONE. How many musicals will be staged by park districts this summer at out door venues in the US? Would you also condemn those theaters that never even considered this work? So applaud those that stage this musical and condemn everyone else. If you were staging a play outdoors, in a park, you would not be concerned about EVERYONE? Is there any venue you would? I would think that a park, open to the public, should have GP rated entertainment.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 05:55 PM) what a silly loaded last line. They aren't putting on a musical version of Paul verheoven's Showgirls, this is a fantastic piece of theatre that would be very intellectually stimulating and entertaining for the crowd. And I think some of you underestimate the importance of funding cultural programs. Let's assume it is the single greatest musical ever produced in the history of theater. Does ever theater have the responsibility to stage the musical? Again, the same group that looked into it, decided against it. Why are they more wrong then groups that never even considered it? And is every play appropriate for every audience and every venue? What is wrong with deciding that this is not suitable for children and staging something else?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 05:53 PM) As I stated in the post above the play in its entirety is not nearly as offensive as you seem to be under the impression it is. It's not like we're talking about an episode of South Park here. It's not, but a respect their right to not stage the play. This was not a case where someone wanted to stage it and was told no. The same group that looked into it, decided against it.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) Where's the picture of the sharks and barracudas eating? Best estimates are 1 in 333 live to reproduce, back on the same section of beach. I was thinking as a fundraiser they should have painted numbers on the back and taken bets. There was also concerns about the gulls that were circling.

What does this say about the liberal media?

The northern Mexico coast and southern Texas is the nesting ground for several endangered species of Sea Turtles. Volunteers patrol the beaches looking for nesting females and retrieve the eggs and incubate them. Later they are released. This year they have found over 50 nests, double the previous year's best. What is also very cool is a leatherback nested foir the first time in 70 years just north of here. http://www.seaturtleinc.com/

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 10:49 AM) whoa i think you're way off base this time. as an actor, the POINT of theatre is not just to entertain but to provoke discussion, create change, enlighten, etc. The point of theatre, just like any art, is to SAY something. Fluff musicals do serve a purpose, and that's what Broadway's mostly become these days, but why should governmentally funded projects be limited to this fluff? I'd argue it should be the other way around. The gov't should fund theatre that is educational and teaches us something or at least opens our minds up to looking at something in a different way. I do not believe that every park district that puts on a play needs to follow that same mission statement of enlightening, offending, creating change, etc. I believe there is room for non controversial, family entertainment, and that is what a park district should be involved in. GP rated events that the entire family can enjoy. Believe it or not, there are volumes of plays by Simon, Williams, Shepard, O'Neil, Miller, etc that could be staged. But I've come to accept that around here the consensus is that insulting, offending, is always preferred to something less controversial.

No one was demanding they stage this musical. During the process, they decided it was not right for the venue. So they are being criticized here for being sensitive to people. It wasn't as if someone wanted to stage the play and were told no. The same group that originally thought they would, then decided not to. Are they any worse then groups that never even considered the play? It's a shame when being considerate to citizens feelings is the wrong thing to do. There are thousands of musicals they can show in place of this. Ones that the group performing are more comfortable with.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 07:53 AM) Flaxxing the Dogg?

Shall we also condemn every theater group in the country that has not produced this musical? I believe publicly funded projects like this should stick to entertainment not social education. I think it is reasonable for a family to be able to walk through the park without a government funded musical singing racial insults.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) Favorite euphemisms for masturbation? Or How Jim Spends His Saturday Afternoons . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/waiting.r...eath/index.html

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 07:22 PM) Yup. Relatives who climb out windows with TV's and threaten neignbors. Nice family. Tex, if you walked out of a friend's house carrying a TV, and there was a man standing in front of you with a shotgun that said "stop or i'll shoot", I'll wager that you stop, and not run at him or away. Would you seriously want your kids playing around that guy's house? I guess it must have been some TV if it was worth killing someone over. Nice values. And stop or run? Interesting debate. Perhaps you would stop and try to reason with Chuckie or Freddie and their shot guns, but running seems like a plausable idea as well. He may be a concerned neighbor, or he may be one of Manson's followers. He may just want to talk to you, or he may want an easy shot.

How sad it would have been if he was saying "I thought they were burglers, how was I to know they had relatives staying there?"

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 07:06 PM) Or to possibly warn people that this is a period piece and contains some strong language? From the article it seems that it is in a park setting, outside, and anyone in the park would be able to hear. I am assuming this is similar to Ravinia.

I'd take Freddy on the road, Javy at home and feel good about either. There have been a lot of pitchers come through Chicago and I'd rate both those guys pretty high for competitiveness.

I think we should honor Bonds' statement and not elect him to the HoF.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 05:36 PM) Dumb. And even if they think its a valid concern, fine... just change that one damn word. Generally when you buy the rights to produce works like this, you are not allowed to make a change like that. You have to perform it as written. Some even go so far as to dictate staging, lighting, etc. In this case it seems the venue is the issue. If you bought a ticket to the play, you presumably would be prepared for the language. Since there is a real possibility of someone accidentally, and without knowledge of the play, overhearing the language, it seems prudent to pick another play.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 05:31 PM) I'm 100% against any lists having to do with music. So a Rap list would be cool . . . I kid because I care™* *Used by permission of FlaSoxxJim