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I saw right away that Walker has no clue what the hell the hitters are doing.

QUOTE (Steff @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 09:47 AM) Just signed to a 1 year deal. Can he catch lightening in a bottle twice... With the Sox??

I went with :30 sitcoms and keeping it to 20 was tough. Shows like Simpsons, Happy Days, Coach, WKRP, Jeffersons, Dick Van Dyke, Soap, did not make my Top 20.

So it becomes Wade for and swap 1st rounder picks. Sight unseen, Team A offers a player of great talent, but with a history of imjuries, for one of your players, and then you have the second overall pick in the draft. I'd take it before I knew the player's involved. As long as you were getting the edge in the player trade. Drafting is an art, not a science. Going into the lottery, everyone in the Bulls world would have loved the #2 pick. And if Wade is injured, the loss is more the player traded, not as much the draft pick swap.

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 06:59 AM) I don't think Ozzie meant anything by it...and I'm sure it's water under the bridge now. Does Ozzie ever mean anything he says?

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 05:39 PM) good. They were way underpaid for the older episodes. Based on their contribution to humanity, or the obscene scale we pay for entertainment in this country? These people were asking for $1,000,000 per year, had to "settle" for $800,000. Of course it will just cost more the advertise on the Simpsons, which gets passed on to the consumers who buys those goods. I wonder, much like taxes on gas, how much advertising dollars we spend on everyday products.

QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 09:24 PM) This is going to be nearly impossible, since I never watched shows like Cheers or MASH due to my age, yet know they should be included in this sort of list. I just have no idea where to put them. As I've been working on my list I realized a similar situation. I appreciate , for example, The Simpsons and South Parks position in TV comedies, but never really liked them too much, not enough to make my top 20. I'm listing my top 20 favorites, I'm not trying to offer some critical approach.

Tougher then I thought. I made a quick list and had about forty.

The question becomes, will she have a shot in 4 or 8 years? In many ways she is paralleling McCain. In 2000 it appeared that McCain has his chance, and it was over. Who knows, she may still have another run in her.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:34 AM) He stayed, listened, and didn't do anything about it. Didn't talk to the pastor about it, didn't try to intervene, didn't leave (until it was politically expedient). Listening to Rush isn't a good comparison. If he says something that truely offends you, you can just turn it off and be done with it. You don't have 20 years invested in it. I also have listened to Air America (a few times. Seriously, some of those hosts are just unhinged!), so I understand wanting to know what the other side thinks/feels. Again, not the same as attending a church for 20+ years. Tex, we will have to agree to disagree on this. I am not going to argue this further (at least in here) so I can honor the PRO part of this thread. Sorry for the mini-hijack, people. Tex and I sometimes can really get going. I don't think we disagree that much, it really is the matter of degrees and without being able to go back and listen to 20 years of sermons we don't know if this was the frog in warm water situation. We also do not know how often he really attended. We don't know if the pastor decided to use his new found celebrity to advance his more outrageous views, something he possibly hadn't done before. I've just sat through too many sermons I did not agree with because I enjoyed the Church for a lot of other reasons. I know I can listen to contrary views. No matter what he did here his detractors were going to use it against him.

This is sad, but I thought he was already dead. RIP. Heaven's band just got better.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:36 AM) I was surprised no one had made the Oakland/PED's post yet... yep. It seems that there is something in the air there in the Bay Area.

Someone please try and build a case why Walker is still the hitting coach? We've read forever that he's supported 100% inside the organization and the players seem to like him. What are they seeing that no one else outside the organization seems to see?

Walker, like Pulford and Momma Sutter's boys in the Hawks organization, will never leave. It's a mystery, a freak of nature, some weird fold in the cosmos that causes these things to happen. Much like a butterfly fluttering his wings starts a tsunami. Except this is less like a tsunami and more like a sleeping disorder. It's perhaps the curse we carry as Sox fans. I think if Walker spit on Konerko's thumb it would spontaneously heal. There has been a mistake. For years with think all the legends are about Chuck Norris, but it's really about Walker, as in Walker, Texas Ranger. Hence the confusion. Seriously, I am beyond worrying or wondering about how or why he is still our lack of hitting coach. There is no logical explanation. There is no track record that defends his continued employment. It must be black magic.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:24 AM) This can't be serious. Why would the Heat do this? ^^^^^ More importantly, why would Wade float this rumour, and I'm leaning towards he's starting one. Or worse, it's their second *round* pick. Which would actually be closer to something Miami would propose.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) See, you are assuming that the good reverend didn't start speaking like that until recently. I assume that he has been doing it for some time, and it only has made it to the media recently. As usual, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I would think that it wouldn' t take too many posts for people to start questioning what was going on. And if it isn't change pretty quick, there would be an exodus of alot of people. I don't think it would take years of posts, but a few months worth would probably work. You said it earlier, when you run for president, you have to change a lot of things. One of them should have been his association with that church a while ago, because we know that those type of sermons have happened more than in the last few months. As for 40, just a random number. Would it sound better if I said 'do you think everyone over 55 harbors racist feelings'? I believe for privileged white males growing up in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s, they still obtain the norms from that era. Which would seem racist by todays standards. Most are very adept at hiding them, but they are still there. If you could time travel and hear their conversations, attend their Churches, you would be appalled. McCain is certainly old enough to remember No n***** and Whites Only signs. He probably swam in a segregated pool. There were segregated schools as he grew up. I also don't quite understand the point of view that if he stayed and listen, he must agree. When I had a position that involved a lot of windshield time, I listened to Rush regularly. Does that mean I must agree with him? I have always felt you can learn something by carefully listening to contrary views. Much more than listening to people who just parrot your own thoughts.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) I see your point but what about what's best for the team? That is what's best for the team. Each person is unique and motivated in a different way.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 08:45 AM) Tex, reading posts on a message board is a little different than going to a church, but lets work with that. Let's say that whoever 'owns' Soxtalk had a weekly post of the status and goings on of Soxtalk. And suppose that every third or fourth post he ranted about the evils the 'darkies' are doing to the White Sox fan base, or how Soxtalk has declined in quality since blacks are allowed to post. And suppose that this went on for a while. Being that this is a message board, you may try to talk to him and get him to cool down the talk, but if he persisted, you would probably leave. If the 'owner' keeps spouting these racist views, all the posters here would then start to be damned by simply continuing to post here, unless your posts were AGAINST him, regardless of what your actual views are. Thankfully we don't have that here, and when people get too far off the reservation, they get reminded that this is a community and such things are not tolerated. A church is an even bigger venue for such things, especially one that video tapes its sermons for all to see and hear. Do I think he believe in such radical things as his dear friend was spouting? No, not really, but I don't think he totally disagrees with them either. 3 or 4 posts out of thousands? What if he didn't post that for 15 years, then once a year or so he posted a rant like that. Then in the last year he posted a couple times a month. When do you have to leave before you are a hypocrite, but still show loyalty? And not certain why you picked 40, McCain, when elected, will be the oldest President.

Ensberg drops off at 32 and it could be PEDs. Another guy goes from a non starter to leading the league in HRs, and that specualtion is wrong.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 05:54 PM) But yeah, every time I watch that movie it makes me want to go workout or do some sort of physical activity. I know what you mean, I usually want to get up during the movie and do finger pushups on my remote.

This was a no win for the man. Seemed most people wanted him to leave the Church, and when he does, he's called a hypocrite. Some people believe if you even listen to something, you must believe it. Guilt by association. I read every one of Kap's and SS's posts, doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I respect their generally well stated and thought out opinions. And when they are totally wacked, I laugh. During the course of a week, I bet I hear their short sermons more than if they were Preachers on Sunday. I know I spend more than an hour a week here. Regardless, I am confident that if elected President, he will not be able to destroy "whitey" any more than Jackson destroyed the "n*****s". Anyone who listen to Johnson's tapes will remember he used the "n" word regularly. As with most of the items like this, if you already were not going to vote for him, its yet another reason. If you were, it's no big deal. If you are on the fence, weigh it against everything else. But if you think a white guy of McCain's era doesn't have some of the same, albeit reversed, attitudes about race, I think you are fooling yourself. Everyone here would have to make some changes in their lives to run for President.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:57 PM) I'm sure he knew long ago that Reverend Wright had some whack job opinions. That's where I am not certain. Has he held those for twenty years, or is it something new? People do change.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 02:24 PM) I think that "church" is a fabric of life, meaning, if you choose to associate yourself with it for TWENTY YEARS, you're agreeing with most of what goes on there. Disagreements happen, but the atmosphere as described by MANY (and no, not just the asshole Hannitys and Limbaughs or worse of the world, from some articles I've read of people who attend there in the newspaper a couple of times) says that Obama holds certain aspects of this place true. I agree, most of what goes on there. And we know about the recent history, is it hypocritical if there was 15 years of somewhat benign sermons and then Pastor becomes more radical and then you leave a couple years later? Which is kind of my point. Some will make a huge deal about this, others will defend it. I'm kind of in the middle. At my old Church, Fr. Jerry is Pro Union, I am not a fan. Yet, I enjoyed 90% of his sermons and the various committees and events I helped with. Which is something else that isn't really talked about much. For many, Church life is more than Sunday for an hour. I played in our basketball league, helped with our Scout Troop, Chaired the Build for our Youth Gold Outing, my son taught Sunday School, as family we helped with the Thanksgiving Luncheon. Balance that with a 10 minute sermon on Sundays and I could see sticking around even if I disagreed with the Pastor on a few things. At one point 90% of our friends were members of that Church.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 12:41 PM) Do you understand why I say what I did? He's heard "questionable" things at his church. Ok, but now that those "questionable things" have been aired out, suddenly, he's uncomfortable associating with them after 20 years? It's a double standard and hypocritical. To be fair, he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't. But, I'm pretty sure that "white people" aren't exactly welcomed with open arms at UTC. It's a shame that this is so much of an issue, but at the same time, I think the character of Obama comes in to play with all of this - it's the people he associates most with, whether you like it or not. You are "friends" with people you think alike with - not all encompassing, but mostly. You identify with people at a church, most of the time. It's a reference point, but not an end all, be all. And that reference point is important. I hear your point, but at what point does it become a double standard and hypocritical? After one time? Ten Times? When your views change? When the other person crosses some line? Once you run for office and get elected you are now locked in on all your associates? And how much do you have to overlap to be friends? I have friends who I differ almost 100% politically, but we enjoy surfing and camping together. If one of them ran for office and I did not support them, would I be a hypocrite? Would they be hypocritical if I used our friendship to discuss my views on immigration and then they disowned me? After all we are friends now.

QUOTE (FGarcia34 @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 01:08 PM) Would it be possible to change my name to TheKillerB's (my initials are BB). Somehow I'm not feeling the Freddy Garcia love anymore. The Killer Bee's are also a professional Hockey team playing in the CHL http://www.killerbeehockey.com/