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QUOTE (TRU @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) Congrats man, my wife is also currently pregnant at a little over 8 weeks as well.. well have to have a race to see who comes out first Is that one also going to pass out with food in his/her hand?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) Oh that is so great Row. but I said it

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Just gonna throw this out there - the Sox are not getting 3 arb years of Milone for one arb year of Beckham. The Sox don't match up well with Oakland unfortunately - this would be a good return for Viciedo but they do not need a corner OF. Hell, give them Dunn too then. QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) Why would y'all want a garbage pitcher who has more of a noodle arm than Danks? If he can't pitch in the Coliseum, how's he going to do at the Cell? So did you look at his numbers or just assume he was pitching poorly because he was demoted?

Boras has always been a very good agent who always gets the very most for his clients and absolutely refuses to break the rules. He's an incredible agent who is not friendly to the hometown team. As a young boy, I hated Boras. As I've grown older, I've come to respect what Boras does for his clients, and in the past few years, I've really grown to admire him. [in the next few, I will actually begin to morph into Scott Boras, and he and I will run the company "Boras Brothers in Space," where we actually make pizza in space and deliver it internationally. Delivery times are expected to take 1-8 hours, depending upon the position of the earth]

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 11:09 PM) Great win. Sox need to get even with the punk Royals. That was our first win over KC in the Cell this year. Must back it up with more wins. The Royals seem to throw at our hitters a lot. Guthrie really did a disservice to his hitters cause Sale can throw that baseball pretty damn hard. Valencia had to be scared to death when that pitch came sailing in on him. Sale deserves credit for getting even and plunking a hitter immediately. Surprised there wasn't a brawl. Maybe one in Game Two if KC hits Eaton leading off the game. Bella looked like a big leaguer tonight and Jake looked good. Glad Dunn made them pay for the shift. Other than that ground ball hit at the invisible shortstop who should have been standing there, the Sox couldn't touch Guthrie again. I wish the managers who ordered the beanballs had to stand out there and take one every time they ordered one. It's absolute f'ing bulls***.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 06:36 PM) If Sergio had spent the season in Charlotte, I don't think his record would be as good as Thompson's. Of that, I am 99.9999% certain. By the way, who mgave that contract to Sergio, Kenny or Toronto? Kenny and WHAT IS THIS

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 04:20 PM) Bah. Yeah. Anyways, Bobby Hill was the other guy the Sox lost. Jeff Weaver too.

QUOTE (Brentmd2 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) Did you try to correct me...incorrectly? Lol I got it right bud don't you worry. You're both correct. DFA is "designate for assignment," so it would technically be "D'dFA," however, that would also make RBI - which is run batted in - made plural by RsBI, which looks really silly. DFA'd is widely more accepted.

I hope the Sox are all over this. Give them Beckham. I really, really like Milone even for soft his stuff is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) The Sox didn't lose out on Alex Fernandez. He signed, and spent nearly six years with the club, until he was almost a free agent, and was traded to SF in the White Flag trade. Alex Fernandez, not Wilson Alvarez.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) 3. Yep. And if he's on the Sox past the July 31st deadline, they will make it an even 4 this August, 99.9999% sure of that.

QUOTE (TRU @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:42 PM) Bottom line, Houston didn't like examination of the player they couldn't examine until after he was drafted. Needs to run more like the NFL Combine. I agree with this as well. Invite the top 300 or so prospects, run them through some sort of gauntlet (if they so choose). It'd be nice if they did it in the offseason too, but there are so many leagues always going on that these guys can participate in that it gets difficult to address that type of thing. It would be nice if they did it in August or September though.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) every since Scott B, the sports agent, came into baseball and the sox lost out on Alex Fernandez and Bobby Seay, the baseball world was on the players side somewhat. its the old David vs Goliath story with the baseball org as Goliath. now let see modern day with Rodon, I am just as happy we got a very good young prospect to help the sox org, and the sox even went overslot to get him. now comes hou and their maneuvering which failed miserable, now everyone in baseball sports forum and sports site is chastising the org for screwing up. many are on Aiken side and rightful so. so let me put it this way. Baseball is both a business and a sports and should not be confuse. on the business side, the org has to deal with advisors/agents and the big bosses created the draft with slot money for signing bonuses. this was to help curb the ability of the agent somewhat and give what they believe a good bonus on the slot they were drafted. however, players can sign for more or less. the sox as an example had to go over slot by +/- 15 % to sign him. if not then the sox would have lost the pick this yr with all the bonus money till next yr. ok I am with that then why couldn't hou offer 90% of the allotted money and says sign or go back to school, which they did. so why is hou wrong. taking their stupidity of the injury out of the equation. you can use any team for this example, but why is the team wrong for using the same tact that sports agents being for yrs. They are wrong because of they're shady dealings with the injury. It's like saying John Wayne Gacy was an OK person other than all those people he killed. Also, they give power to the players because they have absolutely no leverage upon signing and they work as individual proprietors for their services while the MLB teams are absolutely stacked with cash. Frankly, I think Boras has been very admirable throughout this process.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) At some point if you are a contender you have to ask yourself if Dunn for the stretch run is somebody you want to give a ton of at bats to. The answer is Gosh, NO!! There are intangibles in baseball. One is called buzzkill. And you don't want Adam Dunn on your contending team. One of those 1-for-30 slumps will get the fans all hot and bothered and booing your contender. Would any GM risk his reputation on Adam Dunn at this point? I doubt it. Now in the NL as a pinch hitter? I guess maybe. There is a tangible thing in baseball too, and it's called murdering right handed pitching. Dunn does it. He's a useful player, it's just a very specific and limited use. You put him in Seattle's lineup at DH against RHP and it becomes quite a bit more formidable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) No, I'm not acting like that at all. I'm questioning the allocation of resources to a s*** backup PG for the BAE when more interesting moves were available, or players with different skill sets (offense) were available. Other bulls fans, who liked the offseason, need to convince themselves that because they like Doug and Nikola, that Kirk must also have been a good addition because they like to feel good and not think of anything bad. But Kirk sucks, we know he sucks because we've watched him suck, and this season when he dribbles in circles for 20 minutes and can't get the ball to our incredible second line of shooters, we will hear about how Kirk sucks on this very board that is so happy we used our last bit of attractive flexibility on Kirk Hinrich. Yes you will because players do suck for certain stretches and Kirk is not without his weaknesses. Overall, he's an effective but boring player. If he plays sparingly as a true backup, you won't notice him. If he plays starters' minutes, it will be more frustrating.

Pinned. This is important.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) He has only played more than 135 games once in his career. I already showed you his career splits. Yes, he was great last year on the road. This year, he's been Tyler Flowers minus the 7 for 7. An over 200 point difference for a career is pretty unheard of just being the product of being at home. I think Yaz has the biggest home/away split in the HOF, and it's nowhere near Gargo's. I guess we're agreeing to disagree, even though it's basically by how much better he would be outside of Coors. I also think he'd stay healthier outside of thin air and with a better training staff, but I can't obviously can't prove that. The bottom line is that I think he can put up that .825-.850 OPS while staying relatively healthy, and you and Jason don't. I still wouldn't make the move unless the Rockies kicked in about $8-11 million to make it a more feasible contract for the Sox, and even then it would depend upon what else is being given up. It'd be a difficult move to make with all the conditions that would have to be met.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) I think the .825-.850 OPS not playing at Coors is way too optimistic, and to add, this guy tends to get hurt a lot. I really don't know why people who have been trying to save JR's money the past several years would want to blow it what appears to be a pretty good bet at a train wreck. He was absolutely phenomenal on the road last year though too. It'd be risky, but I think, if the price is right, it'd be a risk worth taking. I obviously disagree that he wouldn't get near the .825-.850 OPS, but I don't believe that's worth arguing about anymore. I think someone like the Yankees or Red Sox would assume more of that risk while including the same or more as the White Sox, so I think it's a moot point, but he absolutely is a very talented player. BTW, his DL stint this year had to deal with a tumor being removed from his finger. I strongly doubt that's going to be a reoccuring injury.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 10:39 AM) If there was a team interested in Dunn, I would be super surprised. Even for free, I don't think contending teams are taking him. OBP is not a good measuring stick for AD, and other teams know that. No, but a .236/.372/.471/.843 and a 132 wRC+ against RHP surely will. The guy is a platoon player at this point in his career, but some team should find his bat useful in about the 5th or 6th slot in the lineup against RHP. Frankly, this seems like a Beane sort of move.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 10:29 AM) I honestly don't believe that. I think you might see a Semien bat as well as Alexei, but he won't provide anywhere near the defense. None of them will. The one guy in the system who has that kind of glove can't hit to save his life. I think you are overplaying Alexei's defense at this point. From what I've seen - admittedly not a lot, but I've watched when I can - he appears to be a step or two slower than he has been in the past.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) 20M per season for a potential .825 - .850 OPS seems like overspend. I guess technically it is 16 or 17 and scaling upwards but still. There is a lot of risk getting Car Go, although the tools are definitely nice. Right, it's $53 mill for the next 3 years. I'd need some sort of subsidy with the Rockies either taking on some money or the Sox getting rid of Danks. If the Sox somehow got $11 mill paid for, and had to pay Gonzalez roughly $14 mill per years (as opposed to almost $18 mill), I'd be much more willing to investigate such a deal.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) To take you one step further: He's actually NOT a good hitter -- he's a good hitter "for a SS." That's still valuable, and if he was younger, I'd be clamoring to extend him rather than move him. But he's not. He's 32 and already showing noticeable signs of decline. Offensively, he had a nice hot start, but even now he's already down to 94 wRC+ for the year. He's definitely a solid, positive contributor, but he won't be for much longer, and he need our SS to be productive in a couple years. We'd be better off getting one of the 4 guys in AAA some time to develop, and grab a couple nice prospects on top. I should have clarified - yes, that is what I mean.

You take the most intriguing player you possibly can. That's either going to be a supremely talented player who can't hit or an arm that can touch 95 with absolutely no command, or something else (way to go out on a limb, I know). They'll get someone with upside, but it's not going to be pretty.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) With the dearth of talent in the majors at the major league level at the position of SS, Alexei is a hugely valuable commodity. People are looking WAY too much at his batting stats instead of the whole package. I don't think so, at least in my regard. He's a good hitter, but he's primarily a singles hitter. That's not a bad thing. His defense is also starting to slip a little bit and it's not likely to rebound at this point in his career. This is my own belief, but I'd like to see what Sanchez and Semien can do at SS too.

The other thing worth mentioning is that the Sox may also be in contact with the Yankees about setting up a potential deal for Alexei to New York. The Sox can scout the Yankees minor leagues like crazy and identify 8-10 guys they like and then try and get 2-3 of them for Alexei in the offseason with the caveat of moving him if they do get a certain level of talent this deadline.