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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) The 2nd year penalties are enough that you better be getting a guy who is much more of a sure thing than your typical 17-18 year old if you're doing so. Or if you do you bring in enough guys to make it worth it. If you bring in like 4 guys and pay over by enough to prevent yourself from signing anyone, nobody wins, but if you bring in 7-10 guys, then you're doing something OK.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) Trey is at the age appropriate level though. I think he's only 18 right, or just 19? It's promising. Hopefully, he sustains it as he moves on to higher levels of the org. Like I said, I agree that it's good, but it's still low A. It's a very good thing. I just want to see more of it as he moves up, and it will be at that point when I will begin to more seriously consider him a possible starter down the line (not that I don't already). Everything Trey has done this year is good.

I like the signing. Hopefully he's up by 2020.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) When guys are hot, people like to mention they will regress to the mean. But if they don't like a player, when he's cold, they act as if he won't get another hit the rest of his career. I think both Beckham and Viciedo are near the bottom of their 2014 rollercoaster ride. Viciedo seems to be rising the past 4 or 5 games. Beckham will start hitting again soon whether anyone wants to believe it or not. I honestly really hope you're right, but there's almost 4300 plate appearances between the two of them to suggest that they aren't very good hitters. I won't rule it out, but it doesn't look good for either of them at this point.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) Trey is performing really well for his age appropriate level. Obviously replicating success at a level closer to the majors is more impressive, but there is no harm in moving him up a level every year. The positive about Andersons injury is that he will have time to get back out there this season and perhaps focus more on working counts than his power stroke. I agree completely with both of these.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Michalczewski- double, hr A switch hitting 3B that's hits for average and power? Yes, please. Hope the next three years are good to him and the Sox. Good signs early, but it's still Low-A. I'll be more excited when he's doing this for W-S and Birmingham. I do like the prospects of him though. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 08:05 AM) I so wish I could give more background here, but I can't. The only information we got that could be disseminated was that it was a wrist injury, and minor enough that he was kept day-to-day. This update tells me they likely didn't know it was a fracture until later. Merkin wrote that it happened on a HBP, a number of games before he stopped playing. This is likely one of those things that, when he got hit, he didn't think anything of it. You roll an ankle or land on a wrist or anything and a lot of times, it's not sore till the next day and really, it doesn't feel that bad. Then you start playing on it and it progressively gets more sore or swollen (or it was swollen to begin with) and then decide that it may be a good thing to get it checked out and BAM, out 4-6 weeks.

some f***ing bulls*** TIME TO CALL URLACHER

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 12:06 AM) Get out of here with your Bulls*** War garbage. Viciedo is a better player with more upside. I don't care what your garbage defensive stats say. I'm fine with advanced stats for offense, but when it comes to defense, just stop. I think Viciedo and Beckham are in the exact same boat. At this exact point in time, there's no reason to get rid of them, but I'm not counting on either of them moving forward. They both have a fair amount of talent, but neither have ever really done anything. It tells you something when people are talking about steps forward for Beckham when he's hit .256/.312/.409 this season, while we're still talking about the talent level of a guy in Viciedo with a career line of .260/.304/.428 over 1500 plate appearances. I think Beckham will be dealt this deadline for a couple of arms. Viciedo will be shopped but I don't think mind giving him one more season too, so it's going to take more than most teams will give up. They'll hold out for a similar prospect to the people in this thread have been asking for - B+ type prospects, guys who are considered above average starting players moving forward - and I don't believe they'll get it because teams won't value him in a similar fashion and, again, they may as well give Viciedo one more shot next season (unless a reasonable upgrade shows itself, in which case they'll have no problem dealing him).

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) Why do you keep saying this? It's 99.9999% Thank you

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) anyway. Is Aiken 99.99 % like Rodon? Most likely, yes he is. If he's hurt, the Astros may be less willing to give him a lot less money, and he may want to try and re-coup some of his value, or he can realize that he's still not going to get this much and take the $1-3 million. If the physical was fine, yes, he's going to sign. QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 2, 2014 -> 12:09 AM) And what is the point of waiting so long? For Rodon? To extract as much money as possible. We may say that $6 million is a lot, so why not just take that instead of $6.35 mill, but you are still talking about $350,000, which is 5-10 years worth of salary for most people. It's not chump change. If he can make $6.15 or $6.35 or $6.5 million simply by waiting until the deadline, then it's worth it for him. For the Sox, obviously they'd like it over ASAP, but it's not up to them when Rodon signs, it's up to Rodon.

Having taken enough entrepreneurial classes and been involved with speaking to people about their companies, the thing I would suggest beyond Jake's advice is to consider absolutely everything that could go wrong and come up with potential solutions - ideal solution, plans b, c, d-thru-zzz. There is absolutely no such thing as too much preparation.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 05:55 PM) What the hell is taking so long? What is the rush for either side? He's barely going to pitch this year anyways.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 08:09 PM) That's the issue. Seattle has never been 100% comfortable defensively with Franklin at SS. It's like Micah Johnson at 2B. If he has to play 2B, his value goes down considerably. Otherwise, they wouldn't be playing Miller, because Franklin has a lot more upside offensively. Uh, no, that's the oposite of the argument being made stating that of he has to move to the outfield, his value goes down considerably. His value is perfectly fine at 2B.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox 4m Jose Abreu has become the only player in @MLB history to hit 26 home runs in his first 70 games. #SoxPride #GoSox All he does is hit home runs.

Yep.

I would like to see Nick Noheart in the home run derby. Also, if there's a year for him to do it, it would be this year.

To be fair, Paulino's flash was over a longer period of time, as Viciedo's never really done anything more than 2-3 weeks at a time, but my support was not nearly as drastic as this. I said I thought he could be a good pitcher and my "bold prediction" was that he'd be the 3rd best starting pitcher on the Sox (again, that's not a super high expectation nor ceiling for my thoughts, essentially stating that I'd hope he be better than John Danks). The other people in this thread are comparing Viciedo to Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion. He may have the talent to do that, but Paulino also has the talent to be a top of the rotation starter. A lot of guys have the talent to do certain things. To actually make the comparison is ridiculous. Never did I said that I thought Paulino was going to be a top of the rotation starter nor compare him to some of the best pitchers in the game. Regarding their trade values, Viciedo does not have a lot. He's about to get expensive and there's not a lot of team control left. Maybe he goes to the Blue Jays and they turn him into Jose Bau-tres-ta, but probably not. Regarding Paulino's trade value, LOL. Paulino blows and I was wrong on how well the signing worked, as were a ton of other folks on here. Let's move on.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) Ok, well I'm just telling you what was written over the offseason. I'm not going vouch for the validity of Jon Heyman or whoever it was that said these things. Pretty sure bucket mentioned it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) You were the one who called out the Viciedo supporters. Not me. I just pointed out if that is irrational, you also give some irrational support. For thinking the guy is going to become one of the best hitters in the game? Yes, you're damn right I will call out people who think that a mediocre to bad hitter is going to turn into one of the best hitters in the game through the magic of getting older. I think he'll get better and probably be an average to above average hitter through his prime years, but expecting 40+ home runs is absurd.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) It is the same thing. He mentioned support based on flashes. That is exactly what his support for Paulino was based on. Yes, you are correct, and I thought he could be decent. Edwin Encarnacion, Jose Bautista, and Carlos Gomez are 3 of the best players in the game. I've also compared Viciedo to Beltre previously too and I think, if he were to ever reach his ceiling, he could be that kind of player. Are you going to call me on that too?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) Support for flashes was what I was responding to. You gave support for flashes even after a couple of surgeries and also suggested not only would he be good, but perhaps even better than ever. Nevermind he had his first flash of success when he was 27 years old. So really if you are going to rip people for supporting Viciedo, because at 25 he has only showed flashes, it really doesn't make sense. I said that Felipe Paulino could be the 3rd best starter (with the rotation as is, that wouldn't even have to be a good pitcher) and I thought he could put up a 3.50-4.00 ERA, which is not that big of a stretch in today's environment (for decent pitchers). He completely flopped. These other people are comparing Dayan Viciedo to some of the best hitters in the game. Had I said "hey look, Cliff Lee figured it out at 27, I'm sure Felipe Paulino can do that too," I would have expected to be lambasted.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Felipe Paulino. Anyone projecting any sort of success for Viciedo isn't nearly as crazy as some of the numbers you were projecting for Paulino. You're right, I thought he was going to be good and he sucked. I've admitted that I was wrong. Why would you bring that up out of the blue? I don't understand. I mean, it's totally irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

I'll be working, driving home, and then jackin it. So, yeah, can't make the games.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) But yet, people insist that Dustin Ackley, a year older and a career OPS of a mighty .659 has real value. And Justin Smoak - my gosh, even though he is 3 years older and has a career OBS 35 points below Viciedo, he's a real talent! BTW, Viciedo has a gun. Is that calculated in these defensive metrics? And while most players don't turn their lights on at 26 or 27, some do. A late blooming Cub almost pitched a NH the other night and is having a great year; And then there is Jose Bautista, who had a Viciedo like career until he turned 29. Or Carlos Gomez who arose from the dead at 27. I don't think anyone has said Ackley has value. If they have, they're wrong. You are also talking about guys that are the exception to the rule. No one is saying that the Sox should cut bait with Viciedo or give him away for peanuts or stop playing him all together, but I don't think I've ever seen this much support for a guy who has never shown anything but flashes.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) If his level of play stays about the same through rest of this season, I think he will be back here in 2015. Dunn, PK, and de Aza most likely will be gone,,,,,who's going to beat him out for a roster spot? He'll be back unless someone wants to give up an interesting prospect, but that doesn't mean he'll be good.